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ABuffSeagull @ABuffSeagull8/31/2023, 1:26 PM

game dev turned creature @ompuco

game dev turned creature @ompuco8/30/2023, 5:02 AM

The drone remote, the most seen object in the game, & counterintuitively one of the most minimally designed objects in the game, is also one of the heaviest, utilizing nearly 200,000 triangles across 3 separate draw calls to render the object every single frame.

Here's a quick breakdown:

Body: 36 indices, 12 triangles
Button: 73,728 indices, 24,576 triangles
Antenna: 479,232 indices, 159,744 triangles

That is 184,332 triangles.

Once it is picked up, you cannot put it away.

It will always be rendered.

#Garten of BanBan #sorry i keep posting about this game it's just one of the most amusingly bad products i've ever gotten to do a deep dive into #topology

game dev turned creature @ompuco8/30/2023, 10:25 PM

Live discovery reaction from the stream

https://streamable.com/yg1sae

Also here’s the moment I saw it live on stream.

People were saying the meshes were bad, but I had doubts and thought people may have been blowing out out of proportion, and then I was swiftly & aggressively proven wrong.

#stream clip #Garten of BanBan #optimization #The Cohost Global Feed (RenderDoc)

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rosebur @rosebur8/30/2023, 5:09 AM

oh god ew ewwww euUGGHHHH,,

that causes me physical pain
all three of my avatar models combined have less tris then that

kainik @Kainik8/30/2023, 5:40 AM

When you've never heard of the smooth shading setting

jack @JackDotJS8/30/2023, 6:14 PM

back when i was a kid first figuring out 3d modelling on my own, i never knew there was a smooth shading option. for months i genuinely just, assumed this is what you had to do to make things look smooth.

my shitty netbook laptop at the time was not happy

@AntelopeFriendCorner9/2/2023, 7:53 AM

is... is that why the game looks the way it does? Just a series of big empty, square rooms with props here and there, because the devs don't know how to model anything else without making it a billion polys? Because it seems the character models are like that too.

kainik @Kainik9/2/2023, 8:30 AM

Personally I think it's a combination of that and them using Dynotopo (which creates more vertices when you use the sculpt brush in Blender) for every model. Any other explanation for why they're like that eludes reason.

signal eleven @widr8/30/2023, 6:19 AM

im gonna level with u dog

that is too many triangles

Glaire Daggers @glairedaggers8/30/2023, 7:35 AM

god damn you could probably set this thing to flat shading and not even notice

TheAusSpideyGuy @TheAusSpideyGuy8/30/2023, 8:16 AM

This is hurting my 3D artist heart… ..m..

tera @terabyte8/30/2023, 8:41 AM

that body model is grossly low poly. they need to ditch the texture and fully model the scratches and dirt.... 400k tri remote for banban 5 please euphoric brothers 🙏

li (implied)@thricedotted8/30/2023, 4:15 PM

:yeah:

Arina Artemis, Codecrafter @artie-codecrafter8/30/2023, 11:32 AM

This...
This has to be intentional, right?
Like some sort of social commentary or whatever.
They couldn't be that clueless...

Video Cathunk @Exameter8/30/2023, 6:37 PM

I was in the stream when we went down a rabbit hole about the devs. This is far from the most clueless thing about the way they do things.

Scribble Sheep @Scribble-Sheep8/30/2023, 12:33 PM

Wait, 3 draw calls...?
Is this like, not just one object?

river @birbs8/30/2023, 4:06 PM

i dont know how unity works but 3 render calls would imply 3 separate shaders used to draw each part, which looks to be unnecessary

Scribble Sheep @Scribble-Sheep8/30/2023, 4:45 PM

Looked it up as a refresher, if they're using the same shader but with materials to get the colors instead of like, texture mapping or whatever, it'll batch them separately, ALTHOUGH, that's....two colors. Idk where the third call is coming from unless they have the antenna and button using two separate materials, which seems strange to me, unless the antenna is like, given more specular or something, so they just...gave it a different material for that...?

game dev turned creature @ompuco8/30/2023, 4:49 PM

Also want to add: they have an option in each game to customize the remote's accent color, and there's a button you can toggle that'll just keep the button red while you change the antenna only. That's the only difference I can see.

Scribble Sheep @Scribble-Sheep8/30/2023, 4:54 PM

Ah, mystery solved, thankyou!

game dev turned creature @ompuco8/30/2023, 4:47 PM

I'm only familiar with Unity & not really Unreal Engine, but yeah. Multiple calls mean they're drawn in different steps. It'll draw each section sequentially with a different material/shader call completely before moving to the next one, rather than as a combined mesh in a single draw.

It's not terrible to split things up into multiple draw calls like this, but something like this definitely doesn't need it since it's generally not really taking advantage of the independent transformation matrices or materials, & is likely indicative that they're using multiple objects placed into each other with no connective tissue.

Lapis the Nevrean @lapisnev8/30/2023, 12:49 PM

Software will always expand to use all available resources even if there is an obvious more efficient way to do things

ibori @DAITENKEN8/30/2023, 1:32 PM

IT
MUST
BE
ROUND

Sciman101 @Sciman1018/30/2023, 2:53 PM

What baffles me is how easy it would be to open like, Blender and make this with less polygons and the exact same visual quality. Either they're using some really obtuse modeling pipeline or they went out of their way to make it as high poly as possible

mouse fountain @mousefountain8/30/2023, 3:02 PM

same energy

ENBYSS @enbyss8/30/2023, 3:38 PM

this reminds me of the 5k polygon yandere simulator toothbrush, though apparently there's also been a 25k polygon poster

ain't as bad as 184k polygon remote, but god

ebu @ebu8/30/2023, 6:27 PM

i think the poster was fake? not 100% sure don't cite me on that. but i think someone was just trolling and made that one up

ebu @ebu8/31/2023, 2:39 AM

toothbrush was real tho

ENBYSS @enbyss8/31/2023, 6:48 AM

dang, no 25k poster

it's been so long since I thought of that game too

eevee @lexyeevee8/30/2023, 4:16 PM

sorry my cat stepped on the subsurf key. im trying to remove it

hax @hax8/30/2023, 4:35 PM

Reminds me of FFXIV's flower pots having the same amount of shaders/polygons as a player character.

Mr. Selachidon @MrSelachidon8/30/2023, 5:32 PM

Reminds me of a toothbrush from the yandere game

@Erix-Summerdown8/30/2023, 7:02 PM

This is NEARLY as bad as Yandere Sim's humongous toothbrush. But even getting CLOSE to that bad is stunningly bad.

game dev turned creature @ompuco8/30/2023, 7:07 PM

I mean I’d still argue that an object on screen 99% of the time that you can’t look away from & has 180000 faces is a little worse than a toothbrush with 5000 faces which you can still walk away from d:

@Erix-Summerdown8/30/2023, 7:26 PM

I confess I don't know much about game dev. 😅

game dev turned creature @ompuco8/30/2023, 7:27 PM

S’all good! I’m mostly just saying that 180,000 is a slightly bigger number than 5,000.