AllisonIsLivid

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DecayWTF
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Putin personally went on television to shit all over Lenin and declare Russia's imperial ambitions right near the beginning of the war with Ukraine. This is extremely stupid.


AllisonIsLivid
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I feel like, even if there's a 'good guy' in the Russia-Ukraine thing, it's not... Russia? Now don't get me wrong; I don't think either side of that pissing match is spraying chardonnay all over the Donbas, and I'm no fan of NATO either, but however cartoonishly evil Russia has been portrayed to be, at heart, Putin's Russia isn't doing a noble or just thing here either. Defending Russian sovereignty over itself (and it's geopolitical zone of influence) by opposing NATO expansion into it's backyard is a pragmatic move, not a morally superior one.

It is possible to NOT take a side in international conflicts, and have that be a considered opinion, OP. I mean, at the end of the day, queer, Jewish, and otherwise minority folks in donbas aren't getting human rights, whether it's Putin or the Ukrainian neo-nazi garrison running the show there.


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AllisonIsLivid
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You're making the fundamental error of assuming regimes opposing the U.S. are inherently virtuous simply because they aren't the U.S. This is foolish. This is why everyone thinks you're an idiot.

You agreed with the stuff people had to say two months ago, but you assumed that meant we agreed with you, and that's not how this works.

You're also grossly misapplying the 'siding with the oppressor' line. Because again, when two fascist governments fight over territory, there's no 'good' outcome for the folks trapped in the territory the fascists are fighting over. Regardless of who comes out of it on top, they are still THE OPPRESSOR. This isn't a fairytale story. Nobody has to be the good guy in war, in the real world. This is one reason why war is so famously terrible, because it is rarely waged on behalf of human well-being and genuine liberation.

I would ask you to take a look at the human rights record of Putin's government, and even if your conclusion is that it's dwarfed by the U.S. record (which is certainly true,) if you can look at that and say with a straight face that it's a GOOD human rights record, and would only improve in the event of Putin gaining more power over more people, I think you need to reassess what you know about global power dynamics, and what your goals as a leftist are.

At best your approach seems like an extremely naive version of harm reduction. A vaguely Kantian fallacy about permitting the lesser of two evils to triumph when evil must triumph. At worst, you're just being a reactionary contrarian and siding with whomever isn't the U.S. because you assume that means they must be good. Historically speaking, nobody hates oppressors more than rival oppressors. That's the entire basis of the history of warfare, kiddo.

Looking forward to your rebuttal.


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The top left stance isnt opposing violence - it supports Russia.

Supporting Russia is supporting genocide, just like supporting Israel is supporting genocide. The only correct viewpoint in this chart is top left.

My point is that I think whoever made this chart was so eager to have the viewpoint opposite that of the US that they ended up supporting a different genocidal state.

The "anti war" aspect is also funny, given I support Ukraine and Palestine, and would love to see international peacekeeping forces deployed against Russia and Israel, both of whom I think should have the right to self govern taken away until they can get their shit together and stop trying to commit genocide.

oh! so my language might be off, but this is an example of a tankie thing right? like, some of the most thorough and damning descriptions of the american empire's crimes i've seen were from folks who would then not apply that same level of thought to things like russia or china.
so like, they display what would imply a full understanding of the core of international geopolitics, and they're certainly very good at books and words, yet seem unable to apply the logic behind those critiques to empires that are in competition with america

when i'm too foolish to just not look at it, i always wonder how such an inconsistency could be achieved. is it the horror in how there's no such thing as a nonevil state, and recognizing that is more painful than just throwing in with a team? is it related to those studies which seemed to suggest that a major desire for most(?) humans is to pick and align with teams no matter how arbitrary and to however absurd ends? is it that i'm being tricked by their seemingly sophisticated writing, when writing styles are not an indicator of critical thought so much as the styles of writings they've most been exposed to (and sources similar to philosophery are filled with folks who could not help but talk in extraordinarily silly ways?)?
a mystery

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whatever bit you are doing is undermined and exposed by cherry picking the stupidest things said to you about it to showcase tbh. you do not have to believe the us state department line to acknowledge the actual material conditions of russia as a state seeking to replace a declining empire

why do you think the russian state and the russian people are one? i agree that the whole shit show in ukraine was nato basically daring russia to do something, but a hegemon and a pretender squabbling over borders isnt liberatory. the people of russia do not direct the russian state, just the same as any other capitalist nation. the fate of ukraine does not look good annexed by russia or as a nato military puppet. only the people of ukraine could say which might suck more, but it is objectively true that russia already abuses groups in its own borders that nazis persecute in ukraine with us backing

Seeeeeriously, how do you not see that you're taking the Zionist argument in support of the Israeli state and it's justification for violence and just applying the same logic to the modern Russian state?

All you've done is set an arbitrary start point in Russian history and declare that everything they've done since that point was just, because it was done in the name of Communism, or as retribution for harms committed against the virtuous Russian Communist people.

But here's uh... one thing wrong with all that, Russia isn't communist. That was the USSR, and they're gone now. Putin is not Lenin. He didn't inherit the legacy of Lenin, just the territory of the state Lenin et al built. The Russian people are not Communists, and the Russian military is not fighting a war of socialist revolution against the U.S. and their dogs. This is ethno-nationalist conflict, not ideological. Donbas Russians getting more rights out of this would come at the direct expense of non-Russians in donbas getting less, and vice versa. That's an explicit guarantee with this type of thing. Neither side cares about humans as humans. This is Walmart fighting Target over market share, and you're telling us "Target Must Win At All Costs," because Target, you see, is Red.

buddy my concern over the slaughter of marginalized peoples is what earned me your insufferable sneering in the first place. you don't seem to give a fuck about anyone's wellbeing as much as you seem to just love bloodshed. look at you. you're demonizing anything short of a parade celebrating dead children. but hey nothing is stopping you from flying to palestine and joining the fight yourself instead of bravely posting about it