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caymanwent
@caymanwent

My renewed bit is descending on people who say "furries are all engineers and tech wizards and that's why they can afford fursuits and 3 cons a year" like a swarm of angry locusts to remind them that furries are more than just the same few you see and a majority of us work for under $50K a year and participate in less visible ways. Most of us are ordinary, overworked, underpaid folk.


caymanwent
@caymanwent

I really wish people would understand the mythos of the "suspiciously wealthy furry who is a patron of the arts" is exceedingly rare and most of us are just schlubs working service and retail like a majority of people.


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@caymanwent
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I block people who say that now, ha ha. Maybe it's "mean" of me but honestly I just get so frustrated by that idea that my knee-jerk reaction is to just decide I don't want to see anything else they have to say.

In a similar vein, I also block people who get precious about art (really, only visual art) in furry - there are so many other ways that it comes out and yet.......

Ha ha, I suppose I've just become super intolerant of what I see as mental laziness in that regard :|

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in reply to @caymanwent's post:

i'm a tech worker with a degree (not rich, for brain/immaturity reasons) and very few of my furry friends are. ultimately furry is going to have class hierarchy as long as it exists in a world that has class hierarchy and from a fandom perspective there's not much that can be done without changing the outside system. i can "only" financially justify going to 1, 2, or MAYBE 3 conventions next year which puts me in an upper range even among con goers, which are literally the only times i can see my friends or do a broad range of activities that make it easier for me to exist, and i have other priorities like buying a car i might ditch in a matter of months (if i move landmasses Again), so i do understand not making enough money, my family has been impoverished for about 12 years and now we live in the third world. i don't understand why you continue to take this so personally buddy. i get the impression you are more envious of the rich people in fandom than feeling unrepresented by some dumb meme that panders to an outsider's understanding of what a furry is. in which case the fandom should not be blamed for capitalism here. (also it's important to note that not every visible furry is rich, some of them are creators)

This is the issue I take: every time I or someone deigns to bring up class discrepancy in the fandom as a result of the greater class discrepancies of a capitalist society, we're just told we're "envious." This really harkens to the capitalist jab of "just stop being poor, get a better job." As if it were so easy.

What I'm getting at here is that participating in the furry fandom is a luxury afforded to those able to reap the rewards of tech-based capitalism to the exclusion of others. It is at once a condemnation of the inequality of our society and a reflection through the lens of a subculture that considers itself broadly equal and accessible. "Everyone is welcome, those who can afford more are more welcome."

Please don't reduce my observations to "you're just jealous" when I'm trying to make a valid point.

Bud, you are literally envious. So am I. It's ok, it's natural and reasonable. I envy people who don't have to worry about their family Literally Dying when a hurricane comes to knock over all the third world infrastructure. Inequity deserves envy.

The reason why we don't talk about class much in fandom is because it doesn't directly translate. It's just another factor. Anyone can learn how to create the art they want with very little spent in resources and training, and sell off their work to others to pay for whatever that doesn't cover. Nobody actually thinks all furries are modestly well off upper-crust proles in one field because someone always has to provide the craft labor. It's just a dumb thing people say for funnies.

A major facet of the economic problems facing us today are tied heavily to colonialism, absorbing individuals so thoroughly and violently into the domineering society that belief as well as participation is mandatory.

Surface level, yeah, most people can't help but have those feelings of envy. That's a very mechanical response arising from being exposed to those conditions, but if we want to improve our existence we have to ask why those feelings are arising in the first place. “Troubleshooting,” as it were.

As an artist, I take umbrage to your belief that “anyone can do art,” not because we are unequal in capacity, but because we are unequal in leisure time. Art, in fact, isn't trivial to learn, we have limited lifespans, we have to choose where to place our stat points, and many of us just don't have the time to develop artistic skill at even a hobby level. I have worked alongside people who are on their third job of the day, exhausted, sick, running a fever, but they HAVE to work or else they and their family are on the streets. I just cannot in good conscience blame these people for barely treading water, and yes, that goes even if they have made some bad decisions in life. Enforcement of a permanent underclass for those with a criminal past is part of that nightmare Capitalist system that must be dismantled.

Furries aren't exempt from these mores of society. What we can do is at the very least recognise how and why the system functions the way it does, and move past superficial feelings of envy, past the rules of Capitalism that pit us against one another to develop a sense of class consciousness. This is what solidarity means, and I hope someday that you can achieve that.

It would be easier for me to take claims "class doesn't translate" were it not for the fact that furries regularly talk to each other about things that are not cartoon animals. Those conversations are going to be full of wealth and class indicators.

So are many conversations related to cartoon animals. A fursuit costs more than my income was this year.

I used to work miserable call center jobs and barely afford rent. Recently my programming hobby got noticed and I suddenly got bumped up an entire social class in one go. Having been on both sides of this I can safely say you are 100% right.

yeeeeeaaaaahhh. I was in the shit long enough (~7 years? Most of my 20s) to develop proper empathy for everyone who has to deal with being on the bottom of the ladder (most people). Stupid country, stupid system.

People love nothing more than acting my poor, non-US, disability payment-dependent ass is somehow on equal footing with the average tech worker in this fandom when I'm demonstrably not, and honestly I'm tired of pretending otherwise. Getting a fursuit, art, etc. means attention, which means support and people reaching out. Don't have money for those, you're basically on your own.

At the end of the day, the popular face of furries are just the same as the popular face of non-: it's the rich and able who are constantly in the spotlight. Between being able to regularly afford high-dollar art pieces, which consistently puts their characters and personalities on display amidst the works of those most likely to make for big, relevant displays, to being able to afford the most intricate suits and regularly go out to display them. To just, seizing that opportunity with outgoing confidence, from having privilege and advantage keeping them multiple steps above the average.

They shape the common conception of us the same way celebrities and the rich dominate the common perception of humanity at large.