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If I suddenly became a weird CEO billionaire, my vanity company would be "figure out how to cross oceans without CO2 emissions". Cool boats? Lighter-than-air travel? Some sort of ballistic passenger railgun? nothing's off the table

I did have the thought that "long" ocean voyages might be more palatable to people these days if you could guarantee internet access. Rather than the journey being part of your time off, you'd work remotely as the boat crossed the sea and your vacation would begin when you landed.

Basically put a coworking space on a ship. SeaWork. Done.

My gut feeling is that "make sea travel faster and zero-emission" is an easier target than the other two, just because no one has given much thought to passenger sea travel recently, it feels like. But obviously a better thing is social changes so that we don't really feel like we NEED to get across oceans in like a day, but can take our time. That really reduces the potential challenges! People used to be fine with a ten-day steamer journey across the Atlantic, until we got spoiled by planes.

I have done one big cross-ocean journey - I sailed on the Queen Mary 2 from New York to London. It took a week, but it was also a "cruise" - so you were there for fancy dinners, casino games, lots of food and alcohol, things like that. Like staying in a Vegas hotel for a week. That's fine, as far as it goes, but a week for one-way travel is a tough sell when you have limited vacation time. Also, it was expensive! It seems like there are different ways you could work that to make it a better experience.

I don't mind flying, but it's obvious we're going to have to give it up or lower the frequency that we take journeys that way, and the biggest blocker there seems to be crossing oceans. No real alternatives exist.


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I LOOOOVE zeppelins and have for decades been trying to make the case that they'd be a GREAT alternative to trucking for cargo routes. No stopping at night, you can automate most of it, far larger cargo capacity, and more direct routes overland. I'm sure there are downsides but it's clear to me we need more zeppelins

i do think it's funny that there's a very obvious solution to "how do you cross oceans without burning fossil fuels," which is sailing, but absolutely nobody will ever think of it because it seems too old fashioned

i know in like sailboat racing and speed record sailing people make catamarans that can do like highway speed. current world record for fastest 500 meter sail is 121kph, fastest nautical mile is 102kph. there's obviously not a ton of interest right now in improvements to large sailing vessels but yeah, there's obviously a ton of optimization to be done.

Destination Gotland, the Swedish ferry company, are intending to launch a hydrogen+steam powered solution for their ferries circa 2030, aiming to make themselves fossil fuel free (they call it "emission-free", but idk how they define that), which sounds like a promising direction to go in. Sure, the stretch their ferries travel is only a couple of hours in either direction, but it'll be interesting to see how that pans out.

I'd be VERY interested in lighter than air travel, but ships and boats make me terribly seasick and after all the horrible things that happened on cruise ships around COVID and the year before, it makes me highly skeptical of sea travel

Yeah, I'll be honest, COVID was my main thought when reading. A longer journey probably equals greater COVID risk, because more people have time to get sick, become contagious, and pass it on.

On the other hand, I'm also not getting on a plane for the foreseeable future because of COVID risk, so I guess I'm not doing any transatlantic travel regardless...

I think this really depends on how efficient the "sea work" ship ends up being.

Sea travel is more efficient than air travel per unit of weight for freight/cargo, but the thing is we usually don't transport people the same way we do cargo. It's been a while since I've looked at this, but most of the numbers for comparison I could find compare cruise ships to airplanes where the ship doubles or triples the aircraft's CO2 emissions. Obviously the "cruise ship" format is not meant to be efficient at all and a ship with a "sea work" co-working setup would likely have a smaller footprint, but that leaves the question of how much smaller.

I feel like whether "sea work" makes sense would hinge with what format scaled up does sea travel become more efficient than air travel and whether that setup still facilitates the co-working aspect.

Oh yeah I think a key part of this is decarbonizing sea travel. I'm assuming that to start that will make for slower travel than fossil fuels, but that we could perhaps make sea travel more efficient to improve that.

This goes for boats, dirigibles, trains, etc. I'm cool with spending a day or two traveling as long as I'm able to work en route.

Something I was saddened to discover recently is the Amtrak that goes from San Jose to Los Angeles does not have wi-fi. Outlets at every seat, comfortable seating, food, everything I need to travel comfortably. But if I want to push commits, I gotta hope my phone's one bar of LTE will hold up. That's another convo, but it made me realize I could make the travel work just fine otherwise!

Yes!! Lots of things are criminal about America's rail infrastructure but this one seems relatively easy to fix. The Coast Starlight is totally worth it, BTW - a gorgeous journey. Part of it goes through an area that you can't visit any other way, unless you're in the military.