CapnQueer

4+ appliances in a trench coat.

  • They/them he/him or he/they, varies

God decided to see if they could put anxiety in a kitchen appliance and It Sure Did Work. Crawled out from behind my parents fridge at the age of Baby and made that everyone else's problem.
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Autistic 2d and 3d artist who barely makes art, I mostly do sci-fi/fantasy stuff and token images for my D&D characters, all of whom are music references. Planning on eventually doing animations, might do NSFW stuff eventually, but for now I'm just ironing out character designs and also my brain.
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Current headmates are:
Toaster, they/them
(Kitchen appliance and joke about sci-fi robots being called toasters. More "normal" United States accent, though we can't actually place it that well.)
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Necron, he/him
(Drop the Exmort. Taken from Vast Error, but coincidentally also 40k. Deeper cowboy accent, drops Gs from words a lot.)
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Ozzie-25, he/him
(Like Asmodeus Helluva Boss, also second ring/fifth canto of Dante's Divine Comedy. Sounds like Alex Brightman Betelgeuse or Fizzy, but a but softer.)
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Proto, he/they
(Like Protoman, and also Protogen because furry joke. Quieter, softer, and breathier voice, same accent as Toaster.)


feybeasts
@feybeasts

“But Fey,” you say, “your fursonas have almost exclusively been fat!”

Yeah, and none of them were the unvarnished, true self, untouched by performance, by masking. They were characters, or perhaps even caricatures of the self, ideal wants and needs and desires written on shapes and selves that reflected wants but never the one who bore them, and if the one who bore them wants a little damn tummy as a treat they should get it, I think


feybeasts
@feybeasts

And indeed, that making her body match my own would impart a degree of euphoria, they and I being the same in that regard, but it really isn’t that simple- for reasons I’ll struggle to get from thoughts to words, but I’m going to try.

Fatness is neutral, like the color of one’s skin, their assigned gender, their eyes. Nobody is better or worse for it. This is important to preface with because the thing is… I have a complicated relationship with my own fatness.

Yes, I personally think it’s cute. I think it can be incredibly uplifting for characters to be fat and just as capable of things as anyone else is- which bears out in reality, too. But coming out of the kink scene, being known only for drawing characters on the extreme end of things, usually to chase comfort in it, find positive reinforcement, there is a serious… lack of agency you find yourself with even with- especially with that kind of reputation. People start to crack jokes about your size, act like you’re a punchline or like you’re always horny about it- even when you mostly just… depict yourself or your characters simply existing. You find that there’s a sort of… expectation about you, that you’re a one-note book, that you’re The Person To Go To about these things, the Person To Show these things regardless of your relationship with someone.

I become entirely just that scene, that art, and there’s a degree of… infantilization that always bugs me- you’re not just a person who is fat, you’re “huggable”, you’re “a soft bean,” you’re “squishy”, and yeah, sometimes you want to be these things, but instead of having the agency to choose, you’re just… locked into it in some people’s eyes.

And I.

Can’t stand.

My agency being taken from me.

I love the fatfur scene, I love my friends I’ve made so very dearly, but these are real problems I’ve had to contend with, real struggles I’ve had, and it’s made me a lot less open to people who think they know me only because we share that single, frayed connective thread. If I don’t really like someone but they’re in the scene, that just… doesn’t magically give them a friendship with me! It’s surface level, I’m not friends with everyone with brown eyes, either!

So the question becomes- do I want to take myself, my true self, into that place? Expose myself to that, a self that matters so much? Do I want to risk becoming a caricature again, or do I use a fresh self, cleaned of these expectations, to… have a break from it all for a time?

I don’t know.

I wish it was easy, that people didn’t place these expectations on one another. But we don’t live in that world, and it’s something I have to think long and hard on.


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in reply to @feybeasts's post:

I struggle with that being pigeonholed as well... people do not see my tiger sona as capable of existing neutrally, even though thats the vast majority of what I do w/ the sona when I actually can. what I WOULD do in VRC, if I thought I'd ever have it.

I'm fat IRL too and I've considered an alternate design that matches me more closely so I can avoid that, and instead take the... normal dehumanization that comes with fatness...

If you want my perspective, I'd say that you should take your true self into that place and be ready to fight for the respect you deserve just like we do in real life.

but mostly I just wanna sympathize. I'm here too, struggling with the same thing. I wouldn't think any less of you for taking the chance to step back and just not have to deal with it.

🫂 Appreciate the kind words and insight! And yeah, it’s one of those things with no good answer- but not a lotta bad ones either. It’s not so unbearable that I’m disillusioned or anything, but it can certainly make me stop and go “well hold on, this feels like objectification”. At the end of the day, I gotta just… find where I’m happy, I suppose!

I feel like "How realistically pudge in the fandom" is not too far from "How visibly trans among normies".

I personally think there's value in being as boldly, unapologetically genuine as you can, calling fetishists creepy if they're being creepy, and just trying to exist.

And if my experiences with the various species-affinity subcommunities is any indication, most people there aren't gonna vibe quite right, BUT there's gonna be a few who get it.

Depends how much you're willing to stand and what it's worth to you.

(I feel a little awkward responding as someone whose literally been thinshamed before. XD)

You have valid points! And you’re right, ultimately it comes down to what I’m willing to stand and what it’s worth to stand for it- I don’t know the answer, but it’s definitely something to percolate on for a while.

Oh yeah, I distinctly remember meeting a fat fur who immediately objectified me because I was chubby. And I was a lot less comfortable about my weight then than I am now.

Trying to walk the line between “I think fat people are hot” and “I have a fixation on chubbiness as a kink” and “therefore if you are fat you are a kink object” is something I have been kind of in the crossfire of.

Though everyone I know who are in these spaces now have been wonderful lately!

I think the big thing I’m kinda feeling is like- it’s important to acknowledge my scene is as prone to objectification as any other, and that behavior is just as intolerable there as it is anywhere else. I think with all the fat positivity and the defensiveness of our right to exist, we’re prone to the same mistakes as anyone else, in that we can assume that being the subjects of discrimination makes us immune to bad behavior, which is so wrongheaded.

Yeah, I feel like embracing my part in that scene has made me a lot more comfortable in my own skin, but people HAVE, like they did with you, also just been really gross and forward just because I like being fat, and they see that as an open invitation to objectify me. It sucks! It shouldn’t happen! People should know better! And it sucks that it makes us wary to be comfortable in our own skins!

The bad apples are exceptions to the rule, thankfully, but the bad interactions stick out in one’s mind more.

(That said- I’m glad I can be one of the wonderful ones to you, my friend 🫂)

Been reading this post and chewing it over cuz it's giving me Thoughts but I wanna be smart in how I talk about 'em.

I'm sorry you've ended up objectified - it sucks to be just existing neutrally (happily! but neutrally) and then get meet with objectification and projection instead. It's presumptuous and intrusive and ruins that moment of neutral joy. I'm not fat, but I've had other moments where like, important parts of my identity get met with weirdness (i.e. white people looking at me like anthropologists, cis people turning my personal history into a private soap opera).

When I make new tabletop characters in settings with human cultures, I always get in my head around giving my characters Chinese surnames, because like. As much as I'm proud of and at peace with my cultural identity, doing that marks them and me as Other sometimes, in a way that doesn't always feel fun or safe. I do not get to do that and remain in that neutral space because even though it is a neutral feature, it brings the real world baggage and context with it (especially if the setting is mostly euro-centric in design). But nor does it necessarily feel good to omit it, and feel like I'm cutting this part of myself away.

The stakes are different for tabletop than sonas - the characters are related to me, but they are not me nor representations of me. And this is a decision I can make from table to table, character to character. They do not always need to implicate my identity or my relationship to it. I do not know how much wiggle room you have when building your fursona. But like, your post here reminded me of that. And what I'm trying to get at is I hope you can find room for yourself. I hope you can find breaks from when that neutrality is broken. Design decisions like this can be really tough, but they don't have to trap you either. It's your sona at the end of the day, there is freedom in something that you build and design yourself. I hope you get to put all the parts of yourself that you want in it. And that even if (and when) other people intrude, you still get space to just be.

Thank you, and extremely well said! In a perfect world, none of these things would change how people look at you, because yeah, they ARE neutral things about us. But they do, and it’s a hard thing to consider sometimes. I’ll find my happy medium, I’m sure of it- thankfully most of the people I know are genuinely very understanding and don’t play these games, I wish everyone had that in their lives