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Campster
@Campster

I know that complaing about Ghostbusters films has been both nerd culture and gauche since 1989, so I'll try to be brief. But it's weird that the new Ghostbusters movie looks bad, but it doesn't look bad in quite the same way as Afterlife did?

Like, Ghostbusters Afterlife was a bog standard legacy film - a half-assed passing of the torch that doesn't really pass the torch so much as invite a younger generation to be taught how awesome the original adventures were. This sucks for a whole lot of reasons - we can talk about the flaws of the Legacy Film as a trope at length - but they're also boring reasons. Afterlife sucks for a lot of the same reason Blade Runner 2049 or Jurassic World suck. But Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire looks bad because it seems like it's trying to do please like eighteen audiences at once. I mean, it's a bad sign when I get tonal whiplash from your trailer.

  • It's a One Last Ride movie! There are shots of the three surviving classic Ghostbusters in jump suits! Venkman will make creeper jokes and Ray will say seemingly made up supernatural stuff that Dan Aykroyd actually kind of believes! Fans will love it!
  • It's a family friendly adventure film! There are shots of the kids from the previous movie, indicating the torch has been passed. It's the Stranger Things' Kids turn, and the presence of kids means your whole family will enjoy it!
  • It's a spooky ghost movie! There's discussion about how this ghost can literally scare you to death by making your blood run cold! The trailer shows a freezing human eye while talking about how your tearducts icing over will be the last thing you'll ever see and mentioning how several people have frozen to death. Before cutting to more kid hijinks.
  • It's a superhero movie! All of New York is encased in bad CGI ice in the middle of the summer - and that's our inciting incident! Can you imagine how wild this is gonna get?! We have actual Ant-Man Paul Rudd on hand, Patton Oswalt is here, and they're gonna put together a team of the old guys and the kids to shoot CGI laser beams at other things with CGI laser beams in a big CGI climax that's bigger than anything Ghostbusters has ever done!!

And I dunno, man, this looks like a mess.


DeCosterMakesThings
@DeCosterMakesThings

The last good one I remember was the new Scream, and that's mostly because a contract dispute and (spoiler) killing off one third of the original trio in the previous film meant that they actually had to focus on the new characters.

But besides that, how much more are we all willing to do this dance? Stories where a popular character gets older and is replaced by a new generation, only for all new media in the franchise to just use CGI de-aging to bring back the original (looking at you, dead-eyed Disney Plus Luke Skywalker) are so fucking tired.

The torch is never going to get passed down, and it's already burning pretty low. Might as well just snuff it out and move on.


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I think Ghostbusters is the kind of "franchise" that devilishly makes you think you can make a franchise out of it, but in reality you just can't.

The original capitalistic message of the movie is not going to be well received now and maybe you can spin it off to an animated series (like the one they made a long time ago wink wink)... but it probably doesn't have more legs than that.

Probably... maybe you can push it more with a weird thing like a videogame (the previous console game wink wink again) because of the novelty of actually being a ghost-buster yourself the only thing that made sense after... but you just can't

Unless you literally destroy the concept and make it anew, which they have tried several times now. Maybe you souhld probably make... a new IP? (I feel shudders and shivers from executives, by saying that!)

And man, since we are getting franchise fatigue as of this time (well I hope we are, no more marvel or star-wars or whatever... its like the comic industry in the 90s all over again).. I can only hope for better things to come that are not rehashes form the last 50 years. It-s been happening I guess but not from hollywood, save exceptions you can count with your fingers.

I kinda liked Afterlife, until they reanimated an actual corpse. It's clear they're still going to try to milk every last drop out of the original cast, so I don't think this movie will be much different. That movie with all women Ghostbusters and the reaction around it really threw them off their shit. I imagine they feel stuck in their position and don't know how to get out of it (while not feeling THAT stuck that they'd not try to make more money)

Don't forget opening with a tune that is literally 40 years old. And I didn't think it was great back when it was new. Absolutely cookie-cutter franchise board-of-directors hell that in the past would have been straight to video, but that doesn't exist any more so we're cursed to endure its terrible hype.