oh god how did this get here i am not good with computer

 


 

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The scenes with the shark are usually very intense and disturbing.

 

I use Arch BTW

 

Fun fact: Neo-Nazi dipshit cartoonist Stonetoss is in fact Hans Kristian Graebener of Spring, Texas


NireBryce
@NireBryce

as time goes on I'm increasingly convinced the future isn't social media, but instead better blogging software + software that lets you subscribe to them as if it's "social media", with a "social media"-type interface and propagated shares etc.

a lot of people when you bring these things up go "oh, like twitter but longer posts?" and no -- nothing like twitter. when I navigate to the equivalent of your profile, I would see tags, categories, archives categorized by month, whatever you decided to put in the other areas, etc. "Social media" as it stands separates us from that.

I don't mean 'reinvent google reader', but 'RSS Plus and a good set of clients could obviate a lot of the issues, and free hosting is abundant"

the big problem with RSS and the like is discovery, but if everything shared showed up in a way that was easy to re-share, and comments were rendered like replies, you could get pretty far with 'mastodon but without the issues'

but it'd all need to be in a package the average 50 year old could use. "make a webpage with wix/squarespace building blocks" is the highest technical level this could be without being in "technologist mode" if it is to succeed.

Social media isn't a walled garden -- that metaphor is better applied to the android and apple ecosystems.

Social media is raised beds -- easier to work with, clear bounds, and completely disconnected from the fungal mycelium outside what made it into the bed, which forms it's own network but can never cover the nutrient deficits like it can in some random forest or field.

but you can't do much curation when looking back on your own posts or others' is not just tedious, but actively user-hostile. This is true of all of them, and I'm not sure it's possible to not be true -- after all, their main job is balancing scale with features -- even cohost has this problem.

But that's not the case when everyone's running their blog instance on some free box or like 30 people get together to pay 3 euros/month total for a hetzner server.

Activitypub has the wrong idea -- you already have subscribe functions, you don't need to propagate more than that. You need something that sits on the web, and something that:

  1. pulls from those
  2. remembers where you've read
  3. lets you share to others using the network
  4. an inbox allowing people to 'dm' / '@' you with nothing to reply to

which is like, RSS 3.0. you could use bittorrent for the shares if you were feeling funinspired.

I don't mean to like, doomsay cohost -- this would be a project that takes a lot longer than a few years. I'm just thinking about how much twitter and mastodon just... the only thing requiring their complexity and scale is that they try to be platforms, but there's very few people who have more than 10k followers, and most of those followers aren't pulling from you at the same time.

I guess the pieces are there and all that's needed is to stitch them together and make them friendly, but that, friends, is the hard part.


DecayWTF
@DecayWTF

A big thing people kind of ignore is that a major part of the value proposition for social media was that it allows companies to outsource their comment sections. Remember "don't read the comments?" Well, that's social media, we're all in the permanent comment section.

Returning to an actual distributed internet is probably good and necessary over time.


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in reply to @NireBryce's post:

It occurs to me that early on in blogging we did have the beginnings of a discoverability mechanism for about 3-6 months, and then the Referer spam started and that killed most automated "track back" systems.

These days, you'd probably have Referer spam driving traffic to LLM-generated blogs. I'm not sure how you avoid that sort of thing happening, but maybe there's a way to reduce it to background noise.

in reply to @DecayWTF's post:

I'm not even sure it's distributed in this case, the application itself would be centralizing.

I think the dream of a distributed network is a good one, but these days most of the computers are in the same buildings.

sure, you and I can run a home box, but some level of management needs to happen for others if they're going to be able to participate, until we get to the glorious future of every municipal library having two paid systems administration tutors.

p2p could enable it, but you also need a mesh network then, or all the distributedness is just abstraction in the end, and the same places can squeeze the life out of things they dislike. except instead of bad twitter moderation, it's the thing where like 3/4 of US internet traffic was Netflix

I only mean "distributed" in this case in the sense of people being able to run their own site, or having multiple companies being able to run interoperating platforms instead of the isolated Four Websites. Without that baseline, it's just gonna be Facebook again because a company that has all of its users in a corral will inevitably become Facebook/Twitter/what have you.