oh god how did this get here i am not good with computer

 


 

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The scenes with the shark are usually very intense and disturbing.

 

I use Arch BTW

 

Fun fact: Neo-Nazi dipshit cartoonist Stonetoss is in fact Hans Kristian Graebener of Spring, Texas


PlumPanAD
@PlumPanAD
  • No* chance the platform will suddenly decide you should not see half of your messages
  • Nowhere near as easy to have your account hacked and all messages deleted (Discord)
  • Very likely to have a better search built into your client than any other messaging platform
  • Everyone already has it (and it's trivial to make a furry/art specific one if needed)
  • Allows direct attachment of files that should be large enough for MOST finished works, excluding most video
  • At this point, not any less private than any other common messaging platform
    • Still reeling at how "Private Messages" got turned into "Direct Messages" and no one batted an eye

ireneista
@ireneista

sigh yes very much agreed. it's the practical choice for this sort of thing and we do recommend it.

(we're an information privacy expert, so we shouldn't just reshare this without noting that in fact, there is a sense in which email is less private - it potentially transits through many separate companies any of which could choose to snoop or could be subpoeaned, whereas if you're using a centralized chat service there's only one company to be concerned about. in practice this is hardly ever going to matter because, for most threat models, one is plenty. we sympathize with people's desire to not worry about those details, heh.)


DecayWTF
@DecayWTF

Unlike most systems, email can even have encryption nicely retrofitted with PGP or S/MIME and a decent email client like Thunderbird will support encrypted email using one or more of these methods easily.

It is a bit of a pain to make e2e email encryption work but it's possible, as opposed to, say, Slack or Twitter DMs.


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in reply to @PlumPanAD's post:

Probably correct, but it still feels like a lawyer went up and went "hey you can't say these are private if we're going to scrape them. Change the name." and again, NO ONE cared and just assumed they were private.

the one thing I need to point out here is that

No chance the platform will suddenly decide you should not see half of your messages

is very false if you're using any big hosted e-mail service -- "e-mail deliverability" is a sprawling nightmare field and it's absolutely possible for your e-mails to disappear into a mysterious hole never to return -- and the only way you can guarantee this is to run your own, unfortunately

otherwise 100% correct

Mmm this is true, I have myself dealt with and troubleshot a few times of an email just, never showing up.

I'd say it's still a lot less likely than, whatever the fuck twitter does, but "No chance" is in fact inaccurate.

I run a couple of email servers and yeah, it's absolutely possible for email to just Not Make It, even in cases you are running your own server. It's sad that email reliability has gone down mostly in the name of "fighting spam" but it's still quite good in most cases

I can't speak for others but my issue with email as a service has always been that I was taught from a young age to treat email like actual mail where a level of formality and effort is expected to justify somebody taking the time to read your message, which into adulthood has seemed to be the basis on which most of the world uses email, so it just becomes a source of anxiety sending something as informal as "hey could you please draw a pin-up of my shark girl in a swimsuit, here's some refs!"

That is a bit of a hurdle, I was also the same. But I think that can also be mitigated by an artist saying "just email me like you would a note, no need to be formal". That doesn't entirely fix the problem but some assurance in the ToS would help a lot I imagine.

in reply to @DecayWTF's post:

that is true, although we would urge anyone with a serious threat model to skip over email encryption and go directly to Signal. the metadata fundamentally can't be encrypted in transit and it's all that would be needed to harm people.

Sure, for high-security applications - I use Signal day to day just for that reason - but in the context of art commissions in most cases that's not going to be an interesting exposure since the fact of those communications will likely be exposed anyway ("hey, look at the new piece I commissioned!")

I almost made a comment on the previous share about how "PGP is great but it's a pain in the ass to use" but decided not to. What's the search incantation to pull up how Thunderbird handles encryption? I'd like to read about that.

I do think it kinda goes against the point of "everyone has it", which is a big positive for email, but I am interested in it.

It's super easy to set up at the base, you just hit the security tab for your server and point it at your certs and then you can just send as encrypted when you're composing the email. There's still the usual rigamarole of cert creation and distribution