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arina-artemis
@arina-artemis
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Perpetual-Motion
@Perpetual-Motion

Okay, so maybe I'm just incredibly dense, but there's something here that has been bothering me for quite some time as someone who primarily works in a TF headspace. I ask this question out of a genuine desire to understand my peers in this area:

What part of this is kink? Why does it get an 18+ flag?

I 100% understand most cases of TF-as-kink, because many, many works depict it as a visceral, powerful, often pleasurable experience, and even if it doesn't directly contain sexual gratification, it could easily provide it to the audience or be construed as such by them.

This, however, is just... normal? Or rather, it's a launching point that can go in any number of directions. It's neutral, and it being labeled as kink raises a few big questions in my mind.

Is species euphoria kink? When I put on my headset and log into VRChat and look down and see my wings and bird talons, is that spark of joy I feel a kink?

Is my writing kink? Is my ongoing web novel in which different characters grapple with the wildly varying feelings they get when they look down and don't see human hands anymore a kink-focused work? Is my webcomic about a man transplanted via microchip into the body of a lab animal a kinky story, despite the fact that it grapples with struggles and ideas completely independent of sexuality?

I want to really make it clear that this is not to call out this post specifically, this is just an immediately available example of an attitude that I feel has been haunting me in the background since I started publishing my work publicly. I'm extremely asexual, and oftentimes I will not even recognize something as an intentional kink work until someone points it out to me, especially if it doesn't otherwise contain anything suggestive. But on that same point, I don't want to write kink. I want to explore the philosophical and emotional ideas presented in transformation because I find them fascinating. Is it just unavoidable? Should I be tagging my work 18+ anyway? I know I shouldn't, but my work goes into way more detail than this post does, hence my confusion.

More than once I have had people assume things about my tastes, and in one particularly unpleasant case solicit me for an explicit kink commission which they described to me in great detail unprompted, entirely because I write about transformation. Am I being unreasonable in being bothered by that? Do I just have the wrong idea about my chosen area of narrative interest? I don't know. I really, really don't know.


dazedstargazer
@dazedstargazer

๐Ÿซ This was very interesting to think about while I'm fronting in particular. I think I have just about the worst species dysphoria of anyone who fronts and while we all seem to have enjoy transformation from both angles, I think I would just cry if I could have my wings again. ; v ;
At the same time I know Jade struggles a lot with deciding whether something warrants that 18+ mark with her work! Sometimes it just falls along the lines of our kinks without any of the sexual intent but sometimes it does, and it makes an absolute mess of trying to decide...
Maybe my little ramble isn't adding much but it's hit something that we think about a lot, maybe too much, it's hard to understand where the lines even are sometimes. Seeing someone talking about it from this side just kind of hit me hard out of nowhere and I wanted to talk about it. >v>;


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in reply to @Perpetual-Motion's post:

Kinda feel the same way about vore. We just wanna be Squish n Warm n Wet and it's not horny per se, but it's assumed to be. IMO there's nothing inherently sexual or even adult about TF (or vore). There are going to be people horny about anything, even if it's definitely non-sexual, but they're just a vocal minority. Write what you want for the audience you want to write for.

100% relate to that! i consider all of my tf stuff sfw, though i've gone back and forth on whether or not it can be considered "kink" for me...i like exploring the tactile/sensory aspects of transformation in some of my work, and i think for some folks that may translate to kink for them. it's always been a nonsexual thing for me, though...i suppose as a shapeshifterkin myself, i view the act of transforming into something else as fun, interesting, and something that feels great to do, like a stim or a good stretch X3

personally, i don't see transformation as inherently sexual or kinky, especially when used as a narrative device to explore the topics you mentioned!

So, as someone in a server with a Kink channel and a sfw channel and sometimes I'm pretty sure whether people think it's kinky vs not has as much to do with which channel it's posted in as the content. I think sometimes someone shares something that is horny for them and they don't realize that without the context it may be normal for another.

I've talked about this with friends before and the general consensus they reached is that it depends on authorial/artistic intent. While this answer doesn't feel totally satisfying it does at least frame it somewhat helpfully. If someones tagging their stuff as kink or +18, they're being horny. If not, then probably not. Whether the audience respects this/feels the same way is a whole other can of worms. But it's something to think about at least.

Tastes of the beholder, I guess? I've been exposed to tf as of late because I made this website part of my main social media cycle and ended up following a lot of furry/tf accounts and artists. The interpretation for the intent seems really nebulous, at least from an outside perspective. Both the sexual and non-sexual ways of transformation's (as a creative subject) expression seem to center around a feeling of euphoria either in the process, the final product or both. Getting the signals mixed is most likely a result of unfamiliarity with the author's/op's character, a problem that fixes itself in enough time and good enough faith.
With the above being said however, unsolicited sexual engagement is always bad and should always be discouraged as a boundary regardless of interpretation. It's a massive invasion of (metaphorical) personal space and should be treated as such. Tell them to fuck off without hesitation (but in a more professional way).