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Webster
@Webster

you know who hasn't lost their third places? your homophobic evangelical uncle. he knows his neighbors names and has guided discussions with them every sunday.


Webster
@Webster

when i was growing up in the church i would participate in worship with my neighbors every sunday and recreation at minimum every wednesday. the most common hardship i see expressed on the exmormon subreddit is the shock of suddenly losing anything resembling a community. there just isn't a secular analogue for what the church provides.


Anschel
@Anschel

This is maybe the most crucial long-term organizing task of our generation


ireneista
@ireneista

and creating spaces for community to happen in. (we don't say "building community" because, well, it's a lot more like a garden than a building. we can't force it to happen, we just have to create the preconditions and nurture it as it grows)

the vocabulary around third places is very useful - coffee shops, bars, libraries, hackspaces, anywhere people can just hang out and relax and maybe talk to each other

another useful concept we think in terms of for this stuff is Jane Jacobs' concept of "sidewalks". see, interesting stuff happens on a sidewalk because nobody needs an excuse for being there. because it's where everyone goes on their way to other places. this of course does not happen in modern suburbs because of enclave structure, redlining, etc. it also does not happen online because we all just teleport directly to our destinations, if you'll pardon the metaphor.

we need to be doing this both physically, and digitally. we can't abandon either of those fronts.


NireBryce
@NireBryce

having tried to do this awhile ago, a big difference between religious groups and community groups is it's way harder to get people to tithe to their friends/neighbors, but pretty much any meeting space requires cash. Church groups double dip because of the generational wealth of the tithes stored in church property. But without some level of non-fickle income for the group it becomes impossible to plan ahead without organizers spending n people worth of money, so you really need it to scale.

so, that's a thing to be thinking on


zeroefficiency
@zeroefficiency
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CoconutFella
@CoconutFella

Fortunately I didn't lose anything when I left Mormonism, as I had lost any semblance of community waaaaay before that. I was neurodivergent enough that everyone could tell and was annoyed by me, and I could tell but didn't know how to "fix it". So now that I've left I don't have any reason to ever go back, but I still remember those fleeting moments where I did feel like a part of something.


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in reply to @Webster's post:

I'd certainly not posit that churches are GOOD community spaces though, they're full of super credulous people who are easy marks for scams and recruiting each other into pyramid schemes, and the level of toxicity that people are capable of when they feel obligated not to actually confront anyone is always impressive. Trying to sell each other scams and sharing wild, unfounded gossip about anyone who isn't present definitely beats just living in a lonely bubble though.

in reply to @Webster's post:

I've had this thought too, and i don't struggle with feelings of loneliness as a result, but the role of a furry convention is different from the role of a 90s shopping mall, a church, or a neighborhood market. Especially considering the significant economic barrier of a furry convention. Church activities are free to attend and motivate political base-building. And that's a problem.

Maybe a suspiciously wealthy furry can get in on this idea and make something like this and gain traction to getting others to do so! Though the problem of making their own political base will remain, but it's kind of unavoidable for people making a third place without any financial gain to not have some sort of aim or agenda

in reply to @ireneista's post:

in the southern US where I live, there often aren't even actual sidewalks outside the suburbs so there's no way to walk - the only time i would meet someone is on the bus, where i find it stressful to make conversation due to the noise aggravating my speech recognition delays.
the only way most people travel is by car, fully encapsulating themselves from the rest of society, and so 99% of the time the only place you will see those people is out the window of your apartment
it's not a very queer safe area obviously, so i have stuck to being the recluse on the street. my roommate on the other hand knows like 16 people in the area because he's a good christian boy

at the very least as a college student there are many third places on campus, but they are so scattered and formal in most cases that it doesn't feel worth striking a conversation, you'll just be a bother - even the clubs built for queer folk are so nebulous that i don't think they have anywhere people consistently meet and chill