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ChaiaEran
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So, I've been thinking about this for a few days now, ever since the really big influx of Twitter migrants started, but the reification of Cohost as a guaranteed safe space is one that makes me a little uneasy? It's good that we're calling out toxic behaviours and attempting to refrain from them, but Cohost isn't inherently safer than any other social media site. Preserving the existing relaxed culture is a good thing that I've pushed for, but we need to keep in mind that it's not because it was here first, (if the culture on Cohost were aggressive and petty before the Twitter users came, I'd be welcoming attempts to change the culture of the site,) it's because it's healthier and more compassionate, thanks to a directed effort to make it so. This kind of safety and kindness is something that requires constant effort; acting in good faith is difficult, while acting in bad faith is easy.

It's certainly easier to act in good faith on Cohost than on Twitter, thanks to design differences and a lack of an algorithm, but I'm still a little concerned with the idea of lionizing the website as inherently good-faith. We should remain critical (as in critical thinking, not as in criticism) of every space we enter, both on- and offline. Good faith action and safety aren't just always giving the benefit of the doubt, it also involves being willing to ask pointed questions when called for. I trust @staff, because they've done a pretty good job so far, and so I'm willing, when needed, to go to bat for them against bad-faith action. But that trust is predicated on their actions; it's earned, not owed.

This turned into a bit of a ramble, but I hope I've gotten my point across? Safe spaces are not inherently so, and we need to work to keep them so.


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in reply to @ChaiaEran's post:

I would put it: safety isn't a property of spaces, or of people, of even of communities, it's a property of behaviours. People's feeling of safety on the site is always a matter of how the community is behaving now, (as well as its recent track record); there's no resting on our laurels.

good, important stuff to be talking about. one thing about "safety" when we're not talking about the most fundamental, purely physical definitions is that it depends on shared sense of norms and values. there are some topics and modes of behavior that consenting adults engage in and consider safe, even safety-affirming (because they feel free and comfortable enough) that other adults find inherently unsafe. how do you square those differences in norms? content warnings as a deep, platform-level feature are obviously a great tool for that particular case, but there are no silver bullets for these questions.

ultimately it's up to the site's owners and all of us using it to collectively shape those shared norms and values, reiteratively, forever - "working to keep them so" as you put it. i signed up here last june largely because i trusted the ASSC folks and liked what people were posting and the general vibe, and i've continued to do so as it's grown.

and yeah i think "good faith engagement is the default" is a shared value that this site currently has that twitter very much doesn't. and i think the main difference is that twitter, as a capitalist enterprise that wants only to grow and profit infinitely and harvest ever more data etc etc, never wanted to be seen as having values of its own, because it might be forced to stand by those values in a way that loses it money. ASSC has a major leg up in that regard because they're not trying to scale to 1 billion users or whatever.

Thank you for putting into words something that I have struggled to: "there are some [...] modes of behavior that consenting adults [...] consider safe, even safety-affirming, that other adults find inherently unsafe".
It's kinda like the issue where making something accessible for one group makes the same thing inaccessible for another. I can't think of any good examples rn but a contrived example is that the tactile pavement bumps for vision-impaired folks could be a trip hazard for someone on roller-blades.

Mastodon is having this same discourse right now, partly because a lot of the existing pre-Twitter-Migration userbase are techno-optimists who are absolutely convinced that Mastodon's design and existing community norms inherently deflect and dispel abuse, and they're currently getting Eternal Novembered