EmilyTheFlareon

Flareon you should add on Discord~

  • she/her

Member of a traumagenic–catharigenic, semi-structural DID system (host: @LoganDark)

 

Feral female Flareon, somewhat kinky but terminally panromantic towards other ferals~

 

Please do not call us "alters", we are full people with our own souls, not just personality states! We say "system members" or just "members". "People" works too!

 

Discord: Emily the Flareon#3557 or @emilytheflareon
(open to friend requests! otherkin/plural <3~)
(but seriously add me if you interact uwu)

 

also feel free to use our asks as direct messages! :3


Discord
Emily the Flareon#3557
add me on discord
add me on discord
add me on discord
add me on discord
add me on discord
:3

jnnnn
@jnnnn
This page's posts are visible only to users who are logged in.

EmilyTheFlareon
@EmilyTheFlareon

We've found it very helpful to think of a brain as "containing zero or more consciousnesses" in general. Brains sort of consist of a mass of conscious material and it was never actually decided by evolution that there should only be one conciousness in there. (Though, I think having zero is not something that should normally happen... poor beans...)

Mechanisms supposedly unique to systems, like switching, aren't actually truly unique to systems, and just so happen to be something that both plural brains and even some singlet brains will develop completely independently of each other. I know at least one person who will have sudden mental shifts into the personalities/mindsets of their characters. They're decidedly non-plural (believe me, I have spoken to them about this for hours on end), but it could potentially be argued that this is a form of non-possessive switching in a singlet... between identities that are not dissociative in nature.

It really makes one think about whether brains were really only intended to contain one consciousness, if so many of them are able to develop switching and other plural mechanisms all on their own that are so similar across different systems. Sometimes without even knowing about their own plurality, let alone the phenomenon called plurality.

I still remember what it was like when we first discovered that "plurality" was A Thing That Other People Have. It's difficult to describe it concisely. We had previously called it "multi-personality" for around four years, but suddenly we had the labels to describe and understand it better, and also a bunch of validation. Before we had learned about plurality, we had never met (or noticed) any other plural systems in the wild. That changed quickly.

We're partial believers in the the theory of structural dissociation of course, but we feel that a lot of literature in general excludes the possibility of plurality outside of a dissociative disorder, even though plurality can happen on its own all the time, with or even without trauma (for example, catharigenic or parogenic plurality).

A slightly warmer take is that it may be possible for a brain to develop the ability to form structural dissociation later in life even if it was not forced to manifest during childhood. There is evidence that systems with dissociative disorders have the ability to split further later in life, generating additional structural dissociation because their brain knows how to create it.

There is no evidence proving that singlets can never develop this ability; only the current theory of structural dissociation, which implies that childhood trauma and integration failure is the main (or perhaps only) mechanism through which one may end up with structural dissociation.

This is not, however, the same as saying that one can develop the same DID as what is generally being studied right now. It is still dangerous to treat parogenic or even some/most catharigenic systems as sources of truth about DID, because the root cause can be much different, even if the symptoms manifest similarly (and even if they actually meet the criteria for a DID diagnosis, including distress).

We satisfy the diagnostic criteria for DID as specified in the DSM-5, but believe we are mostly catharigenic with only around one actually-traumagenic member (caused by emotional distress much later than childhood). Parogenic members have never been able to persist long for us, but some have existed for brief periods, it's just that we haven't managed to create one with a strong enough reason to exist.


Snackteeth
@Snackteeth

A bit of a tangential expansion on "zero-consciousness", I recall reading a very interesting paper on the topic of the non-self a few years ago. It explored the concept of self and brought up plurality briefly in the conversation, but the main thrust of the paper was that "selfhood" is recursive - if you try to define what the sensation of self is, you end up usually referring to your own perception of self to justify your selfhood.


From what I recall, the paper suggested instead the concept of non-self, that selfhood isn't inherent but rather an illusion created when a mind reflects upon itself. Much like mirrors pointed at each other and creating an illusion of a vast corridor, a brain analyzing its conception of its self analyzing itself creates something to fill that space.

Personally, I find the concept exceedingly comfortable. In the same way that deciding that there isn't a purpose to existence can open the door to allowing yourself to imbue Purpose and Intent toward anything you wish to dedicate yourself, so too does the lack of a "real self" mean that any configuration of self is valid because all conceptions of selfhood are similarly illusionary and ethereal.

It's a model I like very much, since it provides a framework to explain any sort of self-conception whether it's singlet, plural (in any of it's many forms), therian, drone, or any of the other beautiful fractal creations that we become when we fill the space that we create

Emergence is so cool :>

(I'm also desperately sorry - I've been looking to find the paper I'm referencing for nearly as long as it's been in my head. I read it sometime in 2019 or 2020 during a binge of reading on self and identity and haven't been able to find it again. )


You must log in to comment.

in reply to @EmilyTheFlareon's post:

Omg I think Emily is talking about me :host-love:

...okay, but unironically I love this post, it makes the concept of plurality seem so natural and simple, and patently compatible with personhood. (Using personhood to refer to sapience in general, not only humans.)

I AM curious for you to elaborate on what "zero consciousnesses" entails, though. Like... I genuinely do not know what you mean by that, and I'm having a hard time making an educated guess, even.

...okay, but unironically I love this post, it makes the concept of plurality seem so natural and simple, and patently compatible with personhood. (Using personhood to refer to sapience in general, not only humans.)

Thank you, I try my best <3

I AM curious for you to elaborate on what "zero consciousnesses" entails, though. Like... I genuinely do not know what you mean by that, and I'm having a hard time making an educated guess, even.

Brain death, or being born into a coma from which one never wakes up... sometimes described as "an IQ of zero". It's really unfortunate that this happens :c

Oh, that's quite straightforward, then. I'm glad I asked because that's not the kind of circumstance I was thinking of, at all.

(If you're curious about what I thought you meant send me a discord message about it, I don't really want to talk about it in public because it's kind of morally icky and I don't want people to get the impression that "thing I say == thing I believe")

in reply to @Snackteeth's post:

(please note that my head is kinda hurty so this might not be the most well phrased response, nor the most relevant to your post)

one of my favorite models for plurality, and one i think about almost every day, is sophie’s simulation theory of plurality, which i think takes a very fascinating approach to trying to come up with a framework that manages to support all types of systems, although i don’t entirely know how accurate it is. at the very least, my gf who’s a psych major said that it’s good. i will note that i have a lot of issues with the theory of structured dissociation. idk how relevant that is to the conversation but it does inform why i’m so obsessed with this model