EmilyTheFlareon

Flareon you should add on Discord~

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Member of a traumagenic–catharigenic, semi-structural DID system (host: @LoganDark)

 

Feral female Flareon, somewhat kinky but terminally panromantic towards other ferals~

 

Please do not call us "alters", we are full people with our own souls, not just personality states! We say "system members" or just "members". "People" works too!

 

Discord: Emily the Flareon#3557 or @emilytheflareon
(open to friend requests! otherkin/plural <3~)
(but seriously add me if you interact uwu)

 

also feel free to use our asks as direct messages! :3


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Kirobsi
@Kirobsi

If you're a therian or otherkin or, maybe there's another term I don't know about, I wanna hear what defines that for you! My understanding of it seems to be a little different from how I personally feel about my identity, but perhaps I just don't have an accurate impression. so ye, I am curious c: (I'm also not that knowledgeable about some things so you may have to bear with some silly ignorance)


EmilyTheFlareon
@EmilyTheFlareon

Logan's otherkin, and I suppose we all are, because for us it means that our souls aren't human. Logan knows deep down inside that he is an Umbreon, and only an Umbreon, regardless of... the host body that we're all stuck inside.

(I find it a bit weird that we have a special term just to mean we're something other than human — since when has that been the default? — but we identify by it anyway~)

Anyway, he's otherkin because he fully identifies as an Umbreon, he expresses himself as an Umbreon, he imagines himself as an Umbreon (his headspace body is an Umbreon), and so on. He is just completely the mind and soul of an Umbreon and not a human.

We all are that way, so we're technically all otherkin, but he's the one who identifies by it the most because he used to be a singlet and also our host, so he's the one who is most differentiated by being nonhuman.

I believe therian is a specific type of otherkin that means you identify as a "real-world" animal ("real-world" meaning part of external reality). None of us are therians, we're all Pokémon.


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in reply to @Kirobsi's post:

I'm just not human and more specifically an Irken and Umbreon. This is important enough to who I am that I want to let people know but I'm also individualistic enough that I don't like terms like fictive that put me being in a system as the center point of that identity. I also resonate with otherkin and especially fictionkin community history enough that I prefer that label to just nonhuman, but I actually prefer the term therian a bit more because of the animal associations and because of how I'll typically refer to myself as an animal. The reason I don't use it as much is because of community drama both with gatekeeping and how... weirdly anti-endogenic the therian community is (harold, you believe you're the soul of a wolf in a human body, more than one animal crammed into a body for reasons other than grade-a medically recognized trauma isn't that weird)

I'm not quite sure what you're saying from "anti-endogenic" on >.< oop nevermind I looked up 'anti-endogenic' and I understand that now. before I'd only done 'endogenic' and was confused lol,

but yeah I guess I should provide a little bit of context for why I posted this. There's a lot of identity euphoria for me in being a deer as opposed to a human, it's what my pronouns are based on and it just kinda feels right. More recently someone offered the perspective that I'm literally a deer in the same way that a trans person is their gender, and that made me feel better about myself while also making me step back to consider if maybe I'm not as far from these concepts as I thought. So now like, two months later, I'm getting around to asking about it publicly o,o probably in the worst way possible but oh well lol, I don't wanna go posting in twitter hashtags or on a subreddit anyway.

What makes me feel distinct is that it feels more like a furry thing? Like I have this representation of myself - a fursona, really - which makes me feel nice, but it's not like it's an actual deer. It's anthropomorphic. I really like the idea of having a lil tail, and it'd be cool to have better ears than these weird things. But I dunno if it's quite 'there'. Maybe that's the gatekeeping you mentioned lol,, I don't know. I suppose I don't necessarily have a desire to label myself as therian/otherkin/etc. but I'm still curious if I fundamentally fall under that umbrella. Given that, I don't feel gatekept at all even if that is happening, because I'm kinda just looking for a tour rather than residence, in regards to these labels.

yeah unfortunately plural community terms are almost never made with searchability in mind

That sounds a lot like potentially otherkin/therian to me, while the community doesn't focus on dysphoria/euphoria as much as transgender communities do, that's still a very common experience. You might actually also be interested in trans-species as a concept since it usually involves a lot more physical nonhumanity and there's a fair few who overlap with transgender or transhumanism.

You could also be kin to your fursona or like me have your fursona represent your species but you're not actually bipedal. The gatekeeping I brought up more had to do with how some people are deadset on insisting that therian is only earthen animals with nothing outside of that but its been getting corrected more as of late.

The labels I think should be open to you if you want to try them on and hang around in the community to see if it feels right, otherwise there's nothing wrong with not wanting to label it or preferring to still just say furry for it

umm uhh,,, I am bipedal! unless you meant to type quadrupedal but made a mistake o,o

A quick search of "trans-species" brought up some right wing asshats' videos, a vice article that 404'd, and some stuff that I'm not actually sure is related. If you have any suggestions, I'd look into it! Else, I'm not too sure how.

Either way, thank you for the comments!! c:

Oh I see! I wasn't sure if you meant you were like a quadruped deer but draw yourself bipedal, since that's what I do personally haha

Shit, I didn't realize that it became that bad to look up now. I'll try to see if I can find any essays if you'd like but it's possible some of it's gone down

My essence - essential form -- is not human, but I'm in a human existence. this essence is moreover a potential, one that can't be fully actualized. You can think of an acorn that never gets planted, or another seed planted in the wrong soil. still, the potential tries to actualize in whatever way it can, in a human life and culture, so that a very limited development becomes possible. obviously, anything from body/mind modifications, other virtualities accessible through art practice, neoshamanism, dream incubation, VR, the furry community etc. can help.

now, since in our lives we experience not our form but privation of form, there is a sense that some great evil has befallen us. But this is only in the limited perspective of a separated soul or consciousness. in the greater conception of beings taken collectively and as a whole, their collective potentiality is to be like God, and thus must overcome all conflicts and disharmonies between them in apocatastasis. In order that such overcoming may proceed there needs to develop a sympathy between beings across species. One way is through liminal beings such as ourselves for which our actualization is trans-species. Such may explain, in the form of a theodicy, why even though our lives may be painful, we can find fulfillment once we recognize our role in the greater fulfillment of the whole.

Margery Cornwell-Robinson's essay "Retying: I Return to the Animals", published first in the pagan Green Egg magazine in 1974, then again in a Christian Quaker magazine (1983), explores these ideas. https://www.friendsjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/emember/downloads/1983/HC12-50742.pdf As does Buck Young's essay "An historical overview..." http://www.eristic.net/fey/info/buckyoung.php, written for Greenpeace then adopted by the early Otherkin community.

in reply to @EmilyTheFlareon's post:

I relate to this decently. I've been a little hesitant to say this in the post and comments because I don't wanna sound like the equivalent of an overzealous atheist, but for me it's a less 'spiritual'-esque feeling. I guess my brain doesn't see it as something to muse on beyond acknowledging that I feel very nice as a deer as opposed to a human, and that it's easily the most desirable physicality I could inhabit.

As for human being the 'default', I find that concept a little interested. I'd heard once that these 'defaults' are baked into language, or at least colloquial language, where marginalized groups are portrayed as modifiers on a full default. Saying a gay person, a black dude, things like that - you need to point out characteristics which are seen as outliers. They aren't to be assumed. What is assumed is a white, cis, straight[...] person. Same here I suppose, people assume that 'human' is the only valid identity and that manifests in language.

for me it's a less 'spiritual'-esque feeling.

For us, it's that our spirits are what they are because that's just who we are. We're a bit of a weird kind of system in that we believe that each member has their own soul / spirit, so the spiritual stuff kind of happens. But even if there was no system and no other members, Logan would still know that he just is an Umbreon, through and through. That's what otherkin is to us.

It's not like "my spirit animal is an Umbreon", it's just... "I am 100% an Umbreon".

Ah-- I think I wrote a bit ambiguously! I'm not saying it's a 'spirit animal' sort of concept, and I agree! You are and Umbreon, just as I am a deer. I more so meant the way I frame it to myself when I think about it, I've seen people refer to spirits and souls and such, and that's not something that I intuitively did myself. Explaining my own non-human identity, I tend towards relatively surface-level framing. Just "I am a deer" and that's the extent of it.

If this is some sort of insensitive misunderstanding even still, I'm sorry! As said in the original post, I'm not well-versed in this stuff and so I may be wrong about things, and it may show in uncomfortable ways. I hope it's been understandable and okay thus far though! c:

You are and Umbreon

I'm a Flareon, actually! It's Logan who's an Umbreon. I explain otherkin in terms of him because he's the one who feels it the most, as someone who was expected to be our host, and therefore fit the body. The fact that he is not the body is important for him to emphasize, moreso than it is for us.

Just "I am a deer" and that's the extent of it.

Mhm! That's how he feels, too. He is just an Umbreon.

If this is some sort of insensitive misunderstanding even still, I'm sorry! As said in the original post, I'm not well-versed in this stuff and so I may be wrong about things, and it may show in uncomfortable ways. I hope it's been understandable and okay thus far though! c:

Hey, don't worry hun, you're alright~ I feel like I just haven't gotten myself across well enough, because I talk about souls and spirits and identities and such when in reality that's just a way of explaining that he just is an Umbreon. We just like to emphasize it in all those ways because some people just don't get it when we say he just is an Umbreon.

Ah-- sorry! on that first point. I just made a dumb mistake >w>

but yeah! that last bit makes sense. I tried to portray it as a difference of framing in my last comment because I sort of suspected it to mostly boil down to that o,o and I can see that being useful for portraying the idea to others. Or holding personal relevance in the case of some, even if I don't feel that way in regards to myself.

Thank you for discussing!