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ive posted a few game titles to itch now! feel free to check em out!
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lexyeevee
@lexyeevee

since i stopped using twitter, cold turkey

and it's fine. i post here, some decent amount, and occasionally i toot on mastodon

but i still have this... weird tiny nagging feeling sometimes... that i used to have something, and i've lost it, and i don't know how to get it back, but i also don't really know what it was.

i don't know if i have much to say here that i haven't said before haha


i think about having a Twitter Following, and the dawning realization that most of them were there for dunks. but even before that, i feel like a lot of them were tech people who found me through my tech blog because i wrote about something mundane but broad-appeal like "there are chess pieces in unicode ā™œ".

i used to have a lot of fondness for twitter. surely at one point i had a decent number of... peers? acquaintances? friends maybe? i can think of at least a few people from twitter who i miss. but our actual interactions were replying to each other every few weeks maybe. do they think of me now? i don't know.

did i have a real audience, or a lot of people who liked a thing i did once and were waiting endlessly for a repeat that will never come? what is an "audience"? people who click the like button? prospective customers? what am i even selling? how am i supposed to make this online entrepreneurial thing work, anyway? patreon peaked years ago and it turns out it was mostly the tech people paying me to write tech posts, and i ran out of things to write for them.

i used to feel like my work was valuable and now i have no idea. but i don't know what "valuable" means, either. but that also didn't start eight months ago. i think it started when lexy's labyrinth received... much less interest than i'd thought it might. a reminder that the things i like aren't, in fact, also things that my twitter followers necessarily like. following my whims didn't feel like a safe bet any more.


every so often i glance at tumblr again and i still just do not know what to post. i made so many tweets, though. what were they about? i tweeted tens of thousands of things. personal anecdotes and jokes and stuff. do i post jokes any more? i don't know. did the response to my twitter jokes get worse over time? i wonder.

i still don't know how to be vulnerable again. i don't know how to even take steps in that direction. i look at my tumblr dashboard and i catch glimpses of people who silently cut me off and i just want them to not remember whatever made them do that because there's always the chance they'll start up an all new public fuss. i remember how many callouts started on tumblr, how there are still hate blogs there obsessing over whatever minutiae of our lives they can manage to overhear, how there is effectively no moderation unless it's about a boob. so my impulse is to keep my head down.

but i'm tired of keeping my head down. i somehow resisted the urge on twitter, but mostly by being mad a lot, and i'm tired of that too.

i feel like i keep going around in circles and writing the same post every couple months. i don't know what the path out of this looks like.

i don't feel as dire as this sounds, i think. i'm physically tired today and that's probably coming across. mostly i perceive a void that i don't know what to do with, and whenever i'm reminded of it it's just... annoying


TalenLee
@TalenLee

You should scroll back up and read a little higher about the emotional vulnerability, because I'm about to launch off on something on section 2, and I don't want my post to dilute that.

I talk to my students about 'audience' a lot. Audience is a term that we use because culture has kind of surrounded everyone with the language of media making more than the language of media experiencers. Students, by default, think that 'audience' is 'followers' and I have to spend a semester correcting them, then correcting them the next semester and then the next semester and then they graduate and I plead with them to please stop thinking that way on the way out the door.

Maybe I'm bad at teaching.

Anyway, thing is, the thing I tell them is your audience isn't the people who press a follow button. They're not subscribers. They're not analytics, analytics aren't an audience. Your audience are the people who care about and want to engage with what you're doing; the people who see what you do and want more of it. The people who have a reason to relate to your work; they're learning something, they're engaging with something, they're commenting or they're asking, and the thing is, you're one of those people.

What metrics and follower counts do is create the illusion that you have 'an audience' and that you're now a microbrand who needs to manage your entire network of connections appropriately. You're presenting on multiple platforms for a number, except that number is largely not paying attention to or engaging with you. It's bad at doing what it wants to do.

What I keep impressing on students about audience is find the people who engage with what you make because they care about it. They might be in your followers! But they're not even remotely the same thing.

I'm part of Eevee's audience, but it's in the vein of 'hey, she makes cool digital toys, I like those, and I want to see them when they're available.' I don't understand the CSS crimes stuff. But the thing is, I know that when I see things Eevee's made, I'm curious to see them.

One of the things twitter does to you 'as an audience' is it makes you familiar with a sort of hosepipe content model where you can just look at a feed and always see new stuff. People tended to follow a lot of people on twitter. I have a hard time following people on platforms in general, because I tend to dislike being overwhelmed with 'content' - I want to see stuff people are making and sharing and talking about. But that's not typical. That's now how these systems are designed to make you experience things. They want you moving from content to content so you can get ads between them.

Be an audience. Comment on things. Thank people for what they do. When someone does something you like, engage with it to show them.

You should scroll back up and read a little higher about the emotional vulnerability, because I'm about to launch off on something on section 2, and I don't want my post to dilute that.


lexyeevee
@lexyeevee

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yeah i don't like having become... Content.

maybe part of what i miss is the early days of twitter where it was nice to get a lot of likes because it meant people liked your funny joke. now it's more because twitter saw you as a sponge from which to wring more ad revenue from people who only follow obama and cnn.

i suspect that makes the platform become less about individual people and more about posts. who made them? well, who cares, right? as long as theyre good. do you like this

i feel like in the early days of twitter i encountered people who would follow me, sort of get to know me (not like super personally, you know, but, get a rough impression of me as an individual), and maybe be more likely to look at something i'm talking about just because i'm talking about it. but now twitter is about trying to streamline a personalized firehose of quips you'll enjoy, from whoever the fuck. because the most important recipient of your attention is coca-cola. or, i guess, nowadays, some dropshipper.


also i realize another big factor here is that i'm pouring endless amounts of time into fox flux, i reeeeally hope a nontrivial number of people buy it when it's done (i would still make it anyway but it would be nice if the years of work helped pay some bills too), and the lukewarm reception of lexy's labyrinth — as the game i've spent the second-greatest amount of time on — is always at the back of my mind making me nervous


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in reply to @lexyeevee's post:

Not this exact situation, just the feeling of "what am I doing?" "What was I doing?" In my case, I find myself bouncing from site to site, trying to find my niche, but never really finding it. Even now on Cohost, I still have to remind myself that likes and follows aren't important, but we've had that pounded into our head for years. You start wondering if anything you post has value, does anyone like it, then you start wondering "what am I even posting for?" I don't know, but I feel like stopping won't help me find my answer.

So, yeah, maybe not the exact some problem, but the same melancholy, I think?

I never dealt with nearly as bad, but the loss from ditching birdshit is... relateable. It's intentionally a discourse/outrage farm, and had been sailing in that direction over the last decade at least, but that "original big place" inertia means I deffo lost at least a few worthwhile (or at least interesting) contacts. A couple ended up reacquainting on furry masto like 5 years later, but not many.

Closest I found to a fix though, was basically a locked account and at least some degree of vetting? That way I could still share some deep lore with people, without them being in my -actual- innermost circle.

i think twitter has maybe fucked me up a bit because i was on it very early and it slowly changed out from under me

i had a locked account for a good while! but then Stuff Happened and i did not really know who my friends were any more, it dropped to maybe 3 active follows, and i didn't want to add anyone else.

i think the concentration of anger/dunkposting is why we avoided you on twitter, actually. but it is only such a faint memory, i don't know any detail more than that. our brief stint on twitter is such a blur.

lol the ambiguity is killer. "all i know about this person is that they blocked me on twitter. was it because they thought my tweets were bad, or because someone told them i did literal crime. hmmm"

i never had the type of following you did on twitter but ive still grieved its loss. its normal to feel conflicted about this kind of stuff. i cant relate to the internet entrepreneur thing with patreon and all that, but i hope it continues to work for you. i can say that my time on cohost has been both smaller and way more rewarding. im glad to see you on the site and its nice to see what you're up to. appreciate the real posting about stuff like this too. its good to have you around, eevee

despite claims to the contrary, this place just feels like you're either A Content Creator, A Commenter On Content, or some mix of the two, else you might as well just treat the platform like it's read-only. i think part of it is how vastly different Posts vs Comments are treated, versus tweets and their replies simply being a tweet that links to another one

you mean... because twitter replies are visible to everyone who follows both of you, so conversations are more likely to sprawl spontaneously, or something?

i can kinda see that but i think at a certain point i also cut down how much i replied at length to people on twitter, specifically because it could so easily invite third parties who were not always pleasant. the dynamics get real weird when 95% of your followers are people you've never interacted with

it seems like your phrasing is kinda tautological though — if you don't make posts and you don't make comments, then, yeah, you're just reading

I do definitely get fewer people reading my blog posts now that I'm not automatically crossposting links to Twitter, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. It has been more difficult to promote my music and things I care about without Twitter (and I do still occasionally go to Twitter to retweet something important that needs more visibility). But I feel like I'm a lot happier without Twitter in my life.

I've definitely been focusing way more on more intimate social venues online, like a handful of Discord communities (especially yours!) and of course Mastodon and very rare Cohost posts, and while it's a lot more difficult to Grow My Personal Brand that way I also feel less pressure to do so.

Tumblr has gotten... weird. I mostly just reblog other peoples' posts, sometimes with commentary, and rarely post anything of my own (aside from automatic link posts to my blog entries of course).

The feeling of needing to keep your head down is understandable given a lot of what you've been through and how a lot of the Internet has historically been. I've been through a few things like that myself (although not to nearly the scale you've endured). There's always this feeling of looking over your shoulder, like you're about to become a target because some asshole has a vendetta against you or what they think you represent. A lot of those assholes still live rent-free in my head. I'm not sure how to evict them. I'd like to, though.

What's your real-life social life like? I feel like a lack of in-person interaction is the main thing contributing to my own malaise these days. VRChat kinda-sorta helps with that but it's still just duct tape, ultimately.

When I moved to Seattle I found meetup.com to be pretty helpful, although it got Weird when wework bought them out (and even Weirder when they got spun back off).

Lately I've been perusing Barq (dating app for furries) to find people and that is going about as well as one might expect.

twitter for me was mostly void posting adjacent to people i thought were cool, with 200 followers and a scattering of those i followed that i now follow on other platforms, i mostly dont feel too bad for having moved on. I hope we both can find better purpose in our internet personas, I know your css tutorials have been nice.

most of that isn't exactly questions, and we don't exactly have answers to them

for whatever it may be worth we remember you from those early days. we aren't exactly an entire audience by ourselves, but we're still here. we doubt we're the only ones. <3

damn, it sucks to hear that lexy's labyrinth didn't make much of a splash. i hadn't played chip's challenge before (or many sokobans in general, really), so when it came out i spent like an entire day going through the community levels, and found them not just really fun but also extremely enlightening! it was a blast seeing just how expressive levels made with this seemingly simple ruleset could be. i really need to go back and play through the other map sets sometime.

this doesn't have much directly to do with what you talked about here lol, but we'll, i've really enjoyed reading about the assortment of things you've talked about over the years, so thanks for doing what you do. (especially the programming stuff, which i'm sure contributed at least a little to me getting my current job)

that's the thing i always loved about it! that a handful of gizmos could be put together in so many ways. that sparked my imagination even when i was like 12

i'm glad you liked it!! a few people did, and that's good enough really. but i was bracing myself for a wave of tickling a bunch of nostalgia, and boy did i overestimate that lol

in reply to @TalenLee's post:

In 2018 the only social media I had was tumblr. I'm a porn artist. I was devastated when I was kicked off the site. I lost all my followers, my source of income. I had to start from scratch on a platform I hated and still hate, twitter. I was terrified. I'd lost everything.

I have about 4 times as many followers on twitter now as I ever did on tumblr. Twitter is burning and i couldnt care less because now I understand my audience doesnt live in the followers list. It lives out there in the real world. People are out there who will connect, resonate(and nut) to my art. That's not tied to any specific platform. A guy who followed me back on tumblr might stumble upon my work reposted in a group chat or reddit and theyll get just as much out of it as if they were still following me today.

Audiences arent numbers. They're the people we make things for.

in reply to @lexyeevee's post:

i think twitter has maybe fucked me up a bit because i was on it very early and it slowly changed out from under me

I always 'used twitter wrong' -- it may be internet-generational, because when I started it I treated it more as RSS, following and unfollowing people as they drifted in and out of my interests, etc. But it was also IRC, a third space, going to the pub or coffee shop. And you'd become acquaintances with The Regulars in your [awake_time + interest_space], and sometimes friends (or lovers, in some cases).

And then it changed under me, but I kept 'using it wrong' -- which often led to strife, as people started taking unfollows personally, and holding people to things they said in what seemed to be obvious shitposts.

I don't know how much of it is twitter changing, vs online norms changing, vs societal norms changing. But 2016 to the pandemic makes me think it's the third thing. Especially as twitter politics went from building knowledge and community to daes dae'mar-style Court Intrigue.

we don't talk much, but you're pretty cool.

societal norms changing... that gives me a vague shape of a thought about people dogpiling some nobody over a whatever tweet or trying to completely obliterate a smalltime artist for a take, as though the playing field were truly level, as if anyone who got heuristically dumped on your screen were just as powerful as the fucking queen and needs to be put in their place if they don't act with just as much decorum in tweets they don't know will take off

don't like it!

thanks. you too

i think it was also the no-platforming ideal taken out of context.

twitter platforms people; you saw them, you may even have been influenced by them, so anyone having "dangerous ideas" should be shoved off or made miserable. Because there's no other tools when you're in a space where the law or moderation barely applies.

without any of them realizing that the reason they saw it is that heinous things get shared because of how heinous they are, not because the people have reach inherently*.

and, idk. Maybe being on twitter before it became that way made it obvious to me, or maybe I just lucked out with the right people.

My first experience with twitter was following the bird flu pandemic as it was unfolding, a useful thing to have experienced when 2020 happened. But I think that shaped me a lot more than if my introduction to twitter was, like, queer twitter and it's dysfunction based in having to midwife itself while under fire. Or left twitter that had to do the same.

* cohost is better about this, but we've still seen it happen about once a month

same idea really. alex jones has an audience of like, millions. truly staggering number. good target for deplatforming efforts. but people see a tweet from someone they've never heard of and treat it as the same sort of thing. maybe even more urgent, because there's a real chance they could chase some yahoo off twitter entirely, but alex jones is insulated by money

i mean. people went out of their way to dig up stuff i said when i was 19 that sucked, and then show it to as many people as possible

(I added half of the previous post in edits, you don't need to re-read just a heads up)

yeah, I think it's that, plus like... suburban twentysomethings don't get that growth happens on the like, three-year scale because they've never really managed to see places where people actually show it instead of hiding it, until now.

Don't have much helpful to add or anything, but similar to Talen's thoughts, happy to find myself in the audience who seems to enjoy the things you're doing. I know you're not doing the blog thing much but you're in my feed reader anyway -- I try to not seem to familiar or anything as just some stranger on the internets but as someone who hates that firehose garbage I'd rather follow specific folks who I find interesting.

If it’s any comfort to you, I’m planning on getting Fox Flux in part because you made it.

I think you’re cool. I found out about you because I posted a cool thing you said on Twitter to a large-ish queer friendly Discord and the conversation turned from CSS (what I wanted to talk about) to the rumors that you’d been Cancelled. That didn’t sit right with me, so I followed up on the rumors. To find…a person. On the Internet. Who likes making games like I do. So that’s how I started following you.

I can’t fully remember the quote, but Natalie Wynn said something to the effect of, ā€œwe point our fingers at others so the finger doesn’t turn back to us. We’re the good queers, not like those other queers.ā€ It really hit me that I’ve done that too; distanced myself from other people because of Rumors or that I thought if I sidestepped the firing squad they wouldn’t come for me.

I don’t want to be like that. I don’t think anyone does, but the wording around some Internet services really strips the humanity out of me sometimes. ā€œEngagementā€¦ā€ and ā€œcontent creator,ā€ ā€œnumbers,ā€ all of it is so tiring.

So I guess what I’m trying to say is, I found you on the Internet. I’m sorry that I found you through Cancellation, because I don’t think you deserve the hate you’ve gotten. I think you’re cool, and what you’re doing is cool.

I think you should keep doing it.

hey, thank you.

i guess it's kind of a bummer that linking my stuff generates Discourse in some places! that's one of the things that fucked me up a lot for a while — the fear that if i were loud enough to get the attention of the wrong person, they would bring up... something, and the wildfire would spread further. and surely, containing the wildfire is what's most important...

on the other hand, probably the ideal state of affairs is for everyone who hears something negative about me to end up looking at my work and enjoying it. and one person doing that is another step closer to that, haha. so that's nice

certainly weird as hell being treated like a public figure who needed to be stripped of my influence, when all i was doing was making little games and sometimes tweeting whatever i was thinking about. what is there to cancel??

there has definitely been some sense of "i'm one of the good ones" about it, yeah. but that's a whole thing

if it's any consolation about lexy's labyrinth, the reason i don't really engage with it is because i don't really like the chip's challenge formula in the first place. fox flux looks interesting and i'll make sure to get it

anyway i don't actually remember where i found you in the first place, might be from your blog with a mixture of interesting tech stuff and puzzle (/game) stuff. i enjoy seeing what you're up to, even if i don't personally like the content itself. (e.g. i don't touch the crosswords but i like that you're making puzzles; on the other hand i like game design so i sometimes leave comments on fox flux design stuff)

haha, i mean, that's perfectly reasonable. maybe everyone just doesn't really like the chip's challenge formula. but then i wonder if my sense of what is interesting is anything like everyone else's!

and yeah i getcha; there are people i follow who make stuff i can't really get into but i like seeing them do it anyway

and i appreciate your design comments 🧔

I really relate to @TalenLee's addition here because like... there was a period a few years back I went through and softblocked a bunch of Twitter followers who basically never "interacted" with anything I posted? No likes, no comments, nothing. They felt like nobodies that followed me simply because I might tweet a balloon or something. (And they were like, 90% squeaky furries.)

It can be hard to organise thoughts about this sort of thing sometimes. It's why I made one post a week or so ago about how I feel "alien" in contrast to a lot of behaviours around social media, especially as people decide migrating to Bluesky and Threads is a sensible move. I want to get substance out of my "interactions". My first social media, if it counts, was Deviantart. I want feedback and thoughts, primarily from my friends, but others are a nice bonus.