Gwen

Dumbass in a dumb land

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0xabad1dea
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I wanted to make a separate non-CW’d post to go off on a tangent and address the question: “why isn’t moving to a rural area for the lower cost of living a good solution for most people?” because if you’ve always lived in a city, a lot of this might not be obvious. This post is America coded (I live in Europe but I grew up in the rural US)

— First, you’re clearly presuming that the person has some kind of internet job (this is the case for the post this is spinning off from, the job in question is website programmer) because you simply cannot get most kinds of jobs in rural areas, especially as a newly arrived outsider.

— You’re then also presuming this rural area has high speed reliable internet access. It might, but this is a very shaky maybe. Business class internet is out of the question.

— Can you drive a car, for at least an hour? If not, for any reason (medical, emotional, legal) then you’re fucked without an extensive local support network. You will literally die.

— Can you shovel a nontrivial amount of snow? The city isn’t coming to save you. Heart attacks while shoveling snow are a major cause of death in rural areas.

— Do you have any medical issues that might lead to needing to call 911? Would it be a real fuckin’ problem if the ambulance took an hour to arrive, another hour to get to the hospital, and left you with a bill comparable to your annual salary?

— Do you have any medical issues that would kill you if the power went out for 10 days? My power went out for 10 days once. The water too, because that’s how rural well pumps work.

— Do you practice a religion and is it the same as the dominant religion where you’re going? If not, good luck building that support network

— Relatedly, if you’re not white,,, or you’re visibly queer,,, a lot of rural places just are not safe or welcoming

— Rural people have a sheet taped up on the kitchen wall with twenty phone numbers of random aunts, second cousins, former school classmates and church buddies. When something bad happens, calls rapidly circulate to organize aid between people who know and trust each other. Who the hell is gonna be on your list when you need it most, right after arriving?

I do know people who decided this is what they wanted to do, but (just like my decision to move to Europe, which has additional massive legal constraints) it is really godsdamn difficult if you’re not going back to where you grew up, and most city people would become miserable if they had to do it.


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Out of curiosity because I live in Brazil, which is a significantly different place, but how viable are the in-between options in the US? Whenever I see people talking about it it focuses on the extremes, like living in Los Angeles vs living in rural areas.

I ask because I'm moving to my hometown (not to my parent's) to save costs, because the living expenses are significantly cheaper than the state's capital, where I live (i.e. rent can get 1/3 cheaper). But it's also not a rural area and in many aspects (public healthcare, transit, etc.) things are better there than here...

A lot of what you said applies to the rural areas here too, which would be an even cheaper option too, but "why don't you move to a rural area" is not something I ever see being brought to question because of how viable of an alternative the medium-sized cities can be... so I wonder if the US can have the same

there are towns between the two extremes, but they kind of fall into this hole of "not particularly cheap (just a bit cheaper than a proper city) and also kind of starved for job options and culture options". The public transport anywhere outside a major city in the US will be extremely lackluster and unreliable - think like a bus that goes to the shopping mall and the nearest stop is over a mile from your house. It's often not safe to bike either. But honestly this is "the average American household" to me, in a town that's not super expensive but still kinnnnda expensive, and there's no public transport, and there's no bike paths, and there's nothing to do except go to the movie theater (which only shows mainstream stuff) or hang out in the Wal-Mart parking lot

You can certainly make it work (much moreso than moving way out in the sticks) but it's got its own drawbacks and seems to scare the shit out of people living in bigger economic hubs, not entirely without reason. I'm struggling to come up with any examples of an affordable midsize American city that haven't been been slowly dying for decades - everything there was built to support some heavy industry, now it's gone and nothing's coming to replace it except maybe a hospital complex to feed off the aging population, so they just gradually bleed money and people as nature retakes them block by block.

Which tends to mean prospects are limited, if you really rely on fancy well-maintained rich-country-type infrastructure you won't be getting it, and there's decent odds someone'll dump a body in your yard at some point. But you can probably get a yard for your neighbors to leave corpses in!

Amusingly I just got a weather alert for my mother’s town in Maine as I was reading this. She’s gotten about 8-10 inches in the past two days. Snowed in. Still has power fortunately. Internet speed 3Mbps/256K.

Don’t get me wrong, I love that town. And when a trans woman moved in, she was promptly invited to the local women’s circle, but it’s not for everyone.

...WINTER STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT
UNTIL 6 AM EDT EARLY THIS MORNING...

  • WHAT... Snow ending within a few hours. But treacherous roads expected overnight.
  • WHERE...Portions of south central, southwest, and western Maine and northern New Hampshire.
  • WHEN...Until 6 AM EDT early this morning.
  • IMPACTS... Even light snowfall amounts can accumulate on roads and cause dangerous driving conditions due to snow covered roads.
    PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... If you must travel, keep an extra flashlight, food, and water in your vehicle in case of an emergency. The latest road conditions can be obtained by going to newengland511.org