JK-Darkside

bleach fan here for life send help

Big nerd who likes weird games and anime, writes for Hardcore Gaming 101


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@love

If this garbage was simply a feature you had to enable I would be quietly annoyed on principle but otherwise ignore it and just go about my business, but instead it shows up at THE TOP OF THE LIST EVERY TIME YOU TRY TO EMBED LITERALLY ANYTHING. This one incredibly stupid bit of trend-chasing is now the first thing you see no matter what you're trying to do. Fuck this, man!!! I'm sure they'll get rid of this all in like six months when free GPT queries are no longer being subsidized, but the fact that this is their attitude at all to trend-chasing makes me want out.

Anyway, if anyone has any suggestions for things that have Notion's collaboration features I would LOVE to hear them. I am staring at lists of features and feeling like I'm losing my mind. Unfortunately the thing that I primarily use it for is sharing documents with others (and having running comment threads on issues), as well as providing general knowledge bases for team members to reference. I've gotten Obsidian and Joplin as suggestions but their collaboration features seem kinda hacky and it's not really the markdown editing part that I care about.


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@love

I have spent the entire work day researching Notion alternatives! I know a bunch of people were looking at the replies to my posts for suggestions, so I'll summarize my findings thus far.


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@love

Here is my update on all this bullshit!

I contacted Notion support and they've been very slow but apparently they are willing to remove AI from your workspace if you message them and ask. I... don't really know if this addresses my real underlying problem, which is that they're focusing their efforts on this kind of trend-chasing bullshit instead of actually supporting a product that people would actually use? It still really makes me worry about what the state of things is gonna be like in a few years, and any project management software I use needs to last years—that's how long the projects last! Even if they do remove the garbage, I think it's still probably extremely worrying? I don't really know what to think here!

Meanwhile, we've been trying out ClickUp in day-to-day work and... it's... fine, I guess? A lot of the UI stuff is just slightly jankier and cluttered and it simultaneously has too much and not enough functionality, like it's very obvious that the document/sharing functionality is bolted on top of the task management system rather than the other way around. I do not entirely like it, whereas I was otherwise pretty happy with Notion. But it seems to be delivering on everything I wanted functionality-wise, more-or-less! I don't hate it, at least.

I think the only conclusion I'm really reaching here is that I do not enjoy this part of my job. Anyway, remember when I said at least Google Docs was free from this? Well, lmao, look at this garbage


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@love

update: lmfao. lol. of course. shoot me


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in reply to @love's post:

Oh no. I haven't tried it yet but this looks absolutely horrendous. The fact that three people have independently come up with the same sentiment about Notion today (I'm getting off the AI-infested ship) is probably not a good sign!

doesn't help you right now, but i am working on an architecture for sharing password-protected singular / folders of / groups of markdown (specifically obsidian-flavoured) notes with friends, and we plan on open sourcing it if you're in the know of webhosting etc. running issue tracking could certainly be a feature on the trello!

in reply to @love's post:

I was surprised at some of the newer features in the cloud version that matched some of the stuff I had used in Notion (versus the outdated private version from my last job) but yeah it's not heavy duty like for databases or anything.

yeah obsidian is a pretty bad choice to recommend for people who are looking for something similar to notion. People often recommend it as a "notion alternative" despite the huge differences, only because they assume you're trying out different note taking apps

I guess it's a sign of how long I've been out of office environments that the only thing on this list I even recognize is Confluence (whose value proposition over "just throw a mediawiki instance on the intranet" I frankly never did understand in the first place).

I mean, to be fair, having actually maintained a mediawiki instance in the past, security reasons alone are enough to never want to do that myself ever again. SaaS might be insanely cursed in so many ways but also there is legit a reason why it's the default now!

in reply to @love's post:

I have Feelings about the Growth Only target of modern websites. Once a site has it's main userbase on lock there's not much more that can be done to grow . Other than try to steal other sites users. So you add live streaming to Tumblr and videos to Spotify and tiktoks to YouTube and soon every site is bloated garbage full of the same astrendy features nobody wants

in reply to @love's post:

boring people?

I have a colleague who make a ttrpg on the side. They don't like writing description (???) so they use language model for that. They end up with stuff like a spell named "weight of the world" that to 10 gravity damage and the description is two paragraph about how the spell manipulate gravity to hurts the target by 10 health point like if they were carrying the weight of the world.

I tried to explain they are training their players to ignore the descriptions but they don't care.

This seems interesting but doesn't quite hit the level of features I'd want. (In particular, public sharing and embedding documents or databases.) Still, glad it's working well, this is definitely the sort of model I WISH there was more of.

It's got public sharing, and I believe also embedding unless I'm misunderstanding what you're looking for - you can create a link that lets anyone view but not edit the document, and it's got an "Embed mode" where it hides the toolbar and user list

It's definitely hard to find any tool like this that has all the features people are looking for at the level they need, though :/

Oh, that's good to know on the sharing!

But yeah, it's definitely the case where the potential featureset is so large it's no wonder that everyone only seems to consistently hit 70%. This was pretty much my finding across the board, honestly.

I feel like... most project collaboration and tracking software is, by its nature, trend-chasing vaporware. A few of my friends and colleagues who burnt out of games and went to work for companies like these really took a gander at how the sausage is made- and that is to say shockingly similar to JIT gamedev.

Which is worrying.

Yeah, and I mean... honestly, just by looking at the product, you can kinda tell? Which is too bad, because it seems like there's definitely room for something like Slack (ie, something made by people who actually used it in the work environment first), except who on earth is gonna make that kind of investment.

It is a shame, because there is a clear need for software that Middle-Manages... but it seems to only be developed by folks that can secure funding by folks who believe middle managers are the audience.

Or perhaps that is my jaded perception on the matter- I admit that is most likely it. x3