Janus & the snake 🐍

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Janus & the snake 🐍 @Janus-and-the-snake2/23/2024, 10:58 PM

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R0T @fungalfaggot2/23/2024, 7:45 PM

this section of the cohost community guidelines has me worried. haven't seen a social media site ever explicitly advocate for call-outs. what counts as "really harmful behavior"? i guess that's up to the mods to decide, which isn't encouraging. seeing how a ton of tma trans folks are flocking to cohost from tumblr, and seeing how often transfems generally are far more likely to be the targets of call-outs (and the "evidence", if there even is any, is often dubious DM screenshots with identity attached), i feel like this section needs to be heavily edited or removed entirely. call-outs are literally never a helpful or appropriate way of dealing with harm, regardless of the guilt of the accused, and are easily faked and targeted at those most vulnerable. i don't trust anyone who engages with call-outs seriously and i definitely don't trust a moderation team that encourages them in nebulous circumstances.

#cohost #transmisogyny

Janus & the snake 🐍 @Janus-and-the-snake2/23/2024, 10:58 PM

Yeeeeeaaaah that either needs to get way more specific or just removed

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lori @lori2/23/2024, 7:49 PM

This whole bit has always kind of irked me because it's so vague and so up to the discretion of the mods to the point where it's not really useful as a written rule, if there was no rule one way or the other about these kinds of posts then it'd be arbitrary anyway so it doesn't exactly add to any kind of clarity. It's not just the callout part, it's the stuff after it too. So I can screenshot dunk as long as I make it anonymous...but I guarantee there's a point at which I could get in trouble for it. Yet I have no idea where that point is. Are there certain people I can't screenshot dunk? Are there certain types of posts? There's no way I believe that it's ALWAYS okay to post ANY screenshot here for any reason because you want to laugh at it. But these guidelines don't really give me any direction on where the line is. You can't make rules that cover everything of course, but this doesn't even really give a hint. I'd also think if you're posting stuff from your friends' locked accounts, you should probably ask them about it.

deadryn.@deadryn2/23/2024, 9:38 PM

It's oddly truncated when compared to how much ink they spill about WHAT level of loli art is appropriate lmao

meow_d @meow-d2/24/2024, 4:59 AM

really? I feel like it's said in a very defensive tone. Like they're reluctantly trying to clarify "you won't get banned for this". I feel like "explicit advocating for callout posts" is the worst possible interpretation for something that's probably a badly worded sentence.

meow_d @meow-d2/24/2024, 5:05 AM

And as far as I can tell, staff has a similar stance with you. I can't imagine them advocating for callout posts.

R0T @fungalfaggot2/24/2024, 7:53 AM

then they should write it better or remove this segment entirely like I said. I don't know who the moderators are and I don't have blind faith that they have my best interests at heart.

Zilchexo et al.@zlchxo2/25/2024, 6:26 PM

as someone who has been here for over a year now it's an informed faith. i am 99% sure we have literally never had a call-out post on here and i don't see that going to the other extreme.

R0T @fungalfaggot2/25/2024, 6:46 PM

i literally saw one on here yesterday what are you talking about

Zilchexo et al.@zlchxo2/25/2024, 6:47 PM

I didn't. That's alarming. Which one did you mean?

R0T @fungalfaggot2/25/2024, 6:51 PM

i blocked the OP but i searched for 4lung and one of the like 5 results was a call out

Zilchexo et al.@zlchxo2/25/2024, 7:08 PM

i really don't want to be used as a weapon to further other people's agenda against her.
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not trying to Cancel her—listen to her music or don't, i don't really care. i just really needed to say what i had to say

I'm not clear on why the post is in the tag, but this doesn't strike me as a callout, which are meant to go viral. It might have been more responsible on OP's part to turn off reblogs and maybe exclude it from the tag, but no harm no foul. A regime of keeping anybody from talking negatively about anyone seems unenforceable and harmful.

R0T @fungalfaggot2/25/2024, 8:09 PM

ok so failed callouts or callouts where you say it's not a callout but still post it to a public forum with the accused's name in the tags don't count as callouts. gotcha.

Jezebelle @jezabaeddel2/26/2024, 3:17 AM

the tentative language is a safety measure for that person. that's a call out post and the only reason it's not doing much is because 4lung has e'en litigated and relitigated so many times at this point where the whole thing boiled down to milk toast kink she was into they got extrapolated to typical transmisogyny and classical homophobia.

@krveale2/24/2024, 10:04 PM

In case it's a useful point of comparison, pillowfort explicitly bans callout-posts and takes them seriously as a problem. There's also a lot of tools for controlling visibility and engagement since one of the core prioritities is keeping marginalized folks safe.

Coyote @osteophage2/27/2024, 4:41 PM

haven't seen a social media site ever explicitly advocate for call-outs.

They may not have explicitly advocated for them, but they do seem to passively tolerate them.

真人 @shiki2/28/2024, 12:53 PM

what i always say is that is that if its too small to go to court ("so and so said im stupid" "weeeh scary diapers" etc) its too small for a callout and if its big enough to get the law concerned (actually real exploitative images of real children, cyberharassment & cyberstalking, etc) than its too big for a callout. theres no goldilocks zone. its sad to see staff say this. its not the userbase's responsibility to "call out harmful behavior" either. it needs to be encouraged to rather report the behavior and patiently let staff look it over... its very contradictory, to me "calling out" /is/ harmful behavior. nothing good has ever come from a staff saying "let the angry mob work this one out instead."