Keeble

"the bird"

left wing bird, online and trying this " alternative social media" thing again. recently unionized barista. Weekly wikipedia streamer. ❤ @proxy ❤30. Avi: me!

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The people I’ve seen the most dreading the likely collapse of twitter are artists and musicians, who point out how much business they get from centralized social media. Sites like these, designed more to foster small communities (while also explicitly trying NOT to be the worlds biggest website) are inherently antithetical to the design that helps artists, they say. As twitter is made for advertisers, promotion of things to sell is easier than in a small chronological only website.

I’m not sure what the solution to this is, but my inkling is that twitter replaced a lot of functions that the real world had in separate places (marketplace, mall, community center, local news station) and that an approach that tries to be all of those things limits the effectiveness of all of those functions.

For those of you who do art or music: what do you think the future of trying to sell art of any medium on social media is? How do you balance the design needs that foster healthy socialization and make things intentionally hard for advertisers without also making it more relatively difficult for artists?


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in reply to @Keeble's post:

Related, I have mixed feelings about the presumption that the space I hang out with friends and post cool things, must also necessarily be first and foremost a commercial space for small artists and creators to advertise their stuff.

I actually think it's natural and fine that people who make cool stuff are going to post about it here - I mean, you made a cool thing, you're proud of it and want to show it off? That whips actually, I'm happy for you and your thing.

I also don't think the places we socialize should be primarily built to serve as marketplaces. I don't go to hang out with people at an arcade or whatever so I can stare at a billboard.

(Incidentally I think a lot of noise about creators "low engagement" on marketing posts is because people are not inclined to socially share advertising but that's a different topic)

I don't actually know what the answer is, because social is absolutely a tool for small creators, and a lot of the coolest work happening, is happening in small independent communities. But I think you're spot on that attempting to flatten all these conflicting functions into a single unified megaplatform has done damage to all of them and I'm not sure how to unravel that?

edit: I think it's also worth saying here that it's understandable that small artists would be nervous about having the platform they've built their audience and livelihood on imploding and we can absolutely have sympathy for that - they're people and we're not monsters.

And regardless of how the platforms shake out and where we all end up, we can do our best to try to stay in touch with the real individuals who make things that enrich our lives.