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Codarobo
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a point to on to this, speaking as somebody whose mother and grandfather both were artist who worked on commission: the sort of people who thinks that prompt based AI art generation is a way to avoid paying artists are not exactly the sort of people who are just about to go pay artists already. These were not your customers the sort of people or companies that are willing to commission artists. These people already largely moved away from doing so years ago because there an already been alternative ways of doing that that are cheaper.

what this kind of popular understanding of AI art feels like its replacing is the (already pretty shit quality) 1k-10k art market, oriented towards the sorts of upwardly mobile doofuses who like the idea of Having Art In Their House more than they actually like art. A good example of this is the stuff sold at the art basel miami-adjacent fair Red Dot for ages now, which generally falls into this price range and is largely derivative of the sorts of artists that people who don't know art think are still cutting edge (like warhol). This following piece is listed at 850 dollars. Here's a pretty bad painting of the brooklyn bridge that looks like, generously, student work. 2500! finally, here's a derivative-looking painting of boats for nearly 3000. to me, it looks very...courtyard by Marriott. it looks pretty unconnected to anything going on in art for the last, i dunno, 100+ years, except other commercial dreck like this

This stuff feels way more like what the AI art marketers are targeting. These are not the people who would have commissioned you. These are people who only know like 5 artists total and if the painting in question doesn't directly reference them or just Look Vaguely Pleasant, they want nothing to do with it. However, if it looks like something from a hotel lobby or What They Think Banksy Is™, they will happily pay 4 figures


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The funniest thing about that synthesizer preset argument is, like, some early FM synths like the Yamaha DX7 are so bloody impossible to code for that almost everybody just use the presets and, guess what? The e piano 1 patch became so instantly iconic that nobody thinks of it is just overabusing a preset.

But yeah, implication of the capital trying to exploit artists is almost always bad, but it has little to do with the fact that it’s specifically AI. I feel like a lot of people who look at bad art, and say that it is merely not art would not have very progressive opinions on somebody like Kasimir Malevich or Lawrence wiener.

It feels like if the concern was really “making art now doesn’t require enough manual effort, we need it to be more manual to be real” we should be just as upset at the existence of the unity asset store (ok “asset flip discourse” was a thing but i think we can all agree that was stupid and the only people who cared about it were the kinds of people who bring up “ethics in gaming journalism”) or Hatsune miku for taking away work from 3D modelers and vocalists for certain kinds of work that doesn’t inherently need an individual artist making bespoke assets. drum machines for putting drummers out of work. And so on.

(Obviously ai models that contain contemporary copyrighted works is a unique aspect here that is less applicable to those other examples, but that is the actual thing i think it’s reasonable for people to focus on and be upset about, because it IS what makes this exploitative, not simply the fact that making art is technically easier now on some level)