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rusty-speednut
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I've been thinking a lot about my weird relationship with color film, lately. Since I don't really shoot digital at all, my way of capturing the normal things that I see in front of me is to shoot C41 film.

This is of course, a slippery slope if you want the colors to be "correct". Objectively with C41 there's no such thing. If you've ever seen actual color negative film, it doesn't even remotely resemble a "true" negative. But the pieces are there to get it close enough. But that's also why we have so many different color films. They all respond a little bit differently to colors, and you will drive yourself completely insane trying to make the shot look like it was supposed to in your head if you don't account for that. It's something I've struggled a lot with.

So, enter some weird fucked up garbage film that expired in the 80s. The colors will never be right. You will not spend hours editing the colors. You'll let it rip through NLP, accept whatever comes out the other side, and move on. That's the fun of it. You don't know what to expect, exactly. It's almost as if the memories contained in the photo aren't even yours. It doesn't matter how you pictured it. In a way, there's a unique kind of beauty in that.

To select using a certain expired film is still an artistic choice, though. Maybe in a way not too different than AI "artists" now yeeting random words into a prompt with no idea what will come out the other side. I dunno. I can't stop myself from overthinking this, but I guess I can choose to at least overthink in different ways.


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It also seems to free you of the more fiddly/perfectionist facets of the hobby. Much in the same way 3-rail Lionel trains are still fun to play with even if I'm a finescale modeler. It's a breath of fresh air to relax and enjoy the act of making without worrying about the final result being something you feel you need to prove to others, or yourself.

so to be clear, expired film will still work in the sense of capturing an image with enough detail to make it not a blurry mess, but the colours may be different? i have some expired 35mm i wanna use, but i also dont want to end up trying to captyre something and not have the images turn out because it's too old. im a bit of a noob to the technicalities of film photography

In general, unless it's very old or has been stored in extremely poor conditions, you will still get something on expired film. Most often, it'll be a little washed out--low contrast, faded or unusual colors. I've seen advice to push it an extra stop (or more, if it's particularly old) beyond what you usually would, to make up for the probable lack of contrast, but ultimately it's highly variable depending on the age and storage conditions so the only way to find out will be to shoot and develop it.

As mentioned below, it depends a lot on what film it is and how it was stored. There are some films that I know age better than others (Kodak Vericolor is one I buy a lot of, because most of it I've shot has been totally usable 20-30 years on) but ultimately it is a gamble. I usually try and shoot one roll right away when I get a new batch of something just to get a feel for it. And it's worth bracketing exposures on the first roll of a new batch too. I've ended up with some stuff that barely counts as "images" but that's the gamble. It also really helps to have a nice film scanner too.

As a general rule, C41 film tolerates overexposure more so than under even when fresh, so I highly recommend a stop or two of overexposure as the starting point, and wouldn't feel too scared going past that with most films. But there comes a certain point where less sensitivity becomes less of an issue than base fog and other ill effects. It's also worth noting that as long as it wasn't left in a hot car or something, you can generally shoot stuff within a few years of its expiration date and it'll behave more or less like normal.

So long story short - shoot it! I'd just avoid using it for once in a lifetime events and memories.