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qznebula
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I feel like Cohost strikes a very interesting (and nice!) balance for "notification counts" I haven't seen on other sites: (Quick edit! These are extremely circumstantial observations from using the site for less than a week, don't assume this is actually how notification grouping works.)

  • Notification count is "simple", directly equal to the number of interactions with your posts/profile (since you last checked).
  • When you actually visit your notifs, related ones (liked the same post, shared the same post, followed you) get batched together.
  • Those batched notifications DON'T show the total count of how many interactions there were (of that type) — instead they show you who made the interactions, as a nice list of profile pictures that you can easily expand to show their names (profile links!) too
  • The actual post page, AFAICT, doesn't show total interaction counts either!

So basically this de-emphasizes the importance of HOW MANY interactions you get, and instead emphasizes THE PEOPLE (and other lovely non-peoples) who think what you posted is cool or interesting. (Note how it's "people", not "interactions", which gets the focus!)

I wonder if it would be useful to see lists (but not counts!) of who liked or shared anyone's given post — that's a type of networking which hasn't been brought over from other social media. But of course (unless I'm just totally blind and I missed the buttons for it), I'd figure there are a number of good reasons besides networking that features like this weren't brought over.


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in reply to @qznebula's post:

Yeah, I think if it were to be a feature, you'd want to be able to opt out of it. On the Scratch programming website (with a big built-in social community), there are two kinds of "likes" — "loves" and "favorites". Favorites are public, while loves are (mostly) private. I don't think it's necessary to split kinds of likes up like that (it's a decades-old feature), but the basic idea that you can choose for yourself whether you want to put your likes on a globally public list gives the idea some balance.

Yeah, there's four things a "like" can do and they really should be four different things:

  1. Tell the author you appreciated it
  2. Tell other people this is something you like
  3. Informally bookmark it for later
  4. Boost it in the algorithm

well, three things because fuck the All-gorithm, but anyway. point being, let me say "I support you, poster!" separately from "hey everyone, look which posters I support!"

It's worth noting most social media (Cohost, Twitter, Mastodon, Tumblr I think) share basically the same two verbs around those ideas: like (favorite) and boost (share, retweet). The terminology is common, and across services the key behavior is common too: likes send direct positive feedback to the poster, boosts expand a post's reach by sharing it with your followers. It's the secondary behavior (and other nuances) which vary by service. (Some sites have a specific "bookmark" action now, which incidentally marks "likes" as an explicitly public list, social consequences and all — that's one simpler approach of many alternatives, if we try to detangle each of those consequences!)

We hate the idea of public likes. We are afraid of being stalked, harassed, or otherwise having people go through our social outlets to find ways to hurt us. The idea of having public likes, even as an option, makes us feel like "if you have nothing to hide then you have no reason to be afraid".

That said, we agree with the rest that you said. Cohost does focus on the beings, and this makes it cozy and less predatory than other social media

I totally respect that. Especially after reading others' thoughts here, I think having a way to express positivity towards a post without publicizing the statement to anyone besides the person who wrote it is wonderful — and unique among most social media!

I think that "networking" — branching out from a post to similarly interested people — is still an interesting idea. Tying it to likes is a bad idea, but in general, having a 100% consensual, "you aren't expected to engage" kind of way to wave hello! to other people visiting the post interests me.

Thinking about that, though, and reading comments here... it's suddenly kind of obvious we already have a feature like that: comments! :) Nobody is expected to comment on a post, but if they want to, they can! Other people visiting the post both get to see commenters' remarks and visit their profiles to see other stuff they've posted and boosted. I kind of get the vibe that commenting is more "welcomed" here than at least some spaces on Twitter used to be, so Cohost probably lends well to likes, boosts, and comments working together more gracefully and friendlily than other sites!

the side effect of this systems design is that the notification feed is also probably your best "discovery" tab. I click on every new person's profile that interacts with my content, and checks them out to see if i want to give them a follow.

They liked my content, theres a good chance they like other things of my interests!

Yeah! That's how I've been using it. It's how I use notification feeds on other sites, too, but here it feels like the design (both in appearance and what is public vs. private/not shown at all) lends to a very communal system here. It's fresh and kind of new, and feels very thoughtfully designed.

Yeah, that makes sense — I noted in another comment that, well, comments basically serve the purpose I was thinking of: it's non-compulsive and is a nice way to both express specific thoughts (and often positivity) towards the post, and wave hello to other people visiting, leading to better networking without pressuring (nor necessitating) you to engage that networking. It's nice!