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Yes, I am not immune to propaganda, I've started to watch Columbo (the start of S3, specifically)

And the thing that stands out to me about the character of Columbo, and actually to a reasonable extent the show itself - the thing that stands out is that Columbo is genuinely interested in the weird thing the villain is into. Not just pretending to be, but actually gets into it. I've seen all of two episodes now - one where the villain is a wine snob & one where the villain invented subliminal messaging, and in both cases there's a bit where Columbo just, like, goes to school for a bit. Checks out some library books, asks a guy for a crash course. He genuinely gets into it, to the point that he's competent, he can actually pick out a nice wine/entrap the villain by secretly splicing subliminal clips of him searching his office for the murder weapon (sorry, spoilers).

And even though the baddies are always smug rich dudes, and he manipulates them via flattery, the reason his flattery works is because it comes from a place of genuine interest. He listens - the same skills that he uses to catch someone out in a lie or a bit of incongruity are the same skills he applies to everything else. His winning catchphrase might be "one more thing", but the thing you actually hear him say the most is "huh, that's interesting".

And this is tied to status, of course - comparing him to, say, Sherlock Holmes or Poirot, the interesting thing about Columbo is that he's low status. The enjoyable thing is the villains underestimating him, seeing him come in, seemingly bumbling and then -- of course -- ensnaring them. But I think this ability to listen is also tied to status - if you assume you are smart, that you know what you're doing, you stop listening so hard. He's playing along with the villains, but I don't think it's an act. He knows that as soon as he thinks he's got it all figured out, he'll stop actually figuring it out.

All of which is just projection onto a fictional character, which is something you should be careful about. But then also, this has me thinking of Dan Luu constantly complaining that people are bad at things. Which, eh, I don't know, I don't see this as strongly as he does, often when people seem to be bad at something they're actually just optimising for something different than you'd like them to (but which they are actually rewarded for). But I must admit - there are people within the tech world that seem to think they're god's gift & then turn out to be chronically bad at things. And I think that's connected -- it's a world that's invested in being smart, and feeling like you're smart, going to change the world, the main character, etc -- that does put you in the worst place to genuinely listen to people and learn about their niche.

The ending of the episode "Any Old Port In A Storm" -- which is kind of beautiful, a Columbo episode which ends with the villain & Columbo sharing a bottle of Italian dessert wine in at atmosphere of mutual respect (before the villain gets hauled off to jail) -- it sums it up:
> You've learned very well, Lieutenant.
> Thank you, sir. That's the nicest thing anybody's ever said to me.

The best thing you can be is not someone who's smart, but someone who learns.


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in reply to @v21's post:

I mean, the flipside of this is that his curiosity is also reflected in the show itself, which means the denouement also has to reflect something the viewer has learned through the episode. So... have fun explaining git/kernel dev through a entertaining little dialogue, scriptwriter!

(It's easier in a book - I'm a big fan of the chapter of one of the Lord Wimsey books where he explains at length how to crack a Vinegre cipher. Not withstanding the fact that it is not in fact especially enjoyable to read, the fact it's there communicates a certain irrepressible joy in sharing a cool thing you just learned - which is one of the appeals of those books. And Columbo, too)

this is good and I agree. but to add to it: its also about how you (or your employer) view things. if work and achievement are things single people do/have, then people who are skilled at, say, programming, think that their skills and output are all that matters, vs the other mindset which is that those are products of the group and thus communication and person-to-person interface stuff becomes more important than individual skill (think adherence to style guide at cost of personal productivity, "soft skills", good documentation that could have been time spent coding, etc)

a big part of the reason they hire right out of university is university grads are overwhelmingly in that first group, because that's how uni is these days. and they've never been in jobs that show the other option.

This is a really good take and I agree! Curiosity means you learn and that's how you understand things! As soon as you stop being curious and asking questions because you think you can do better that's when you detach from reality and fail

This reminds me of something I learned a few years ago. I forget where or who said it to me, but basically it's that instead of the usual "smart/dumb* binary (which sucks in its own right for many reasons), the more useful way of thinking about competence or knowledge is "curious/incurious."

Even if a curious person doesn't know too much to begin with, they're open to learning and their understanding grows over time. An incurious person, whether an expert or a novice, doesn't care to learn anything and so they remain stagnant and ignorant of others.