Matytoonist

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19yo argentinian cis guy
Things i like range from art, to software, to DIY electronics, and whatever current project im having

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pendell
@pendell

I think it says a lot that we all just expect everything on the internet to be free. YouTube doing all this stuff to try and crack down on adblockers - yeah, we know it won't increase their revenue in any way, but can you really blame them for trying? I think it's probably not unfair to say YouTube is the most expensive website on the planet to run in terms of how much bandwidth they have to serve the entire globe.

Now, yes, Google can probably run YouTube for all eternity and keep it alive via their profits from everything else they do, but I mean, if we did not specifically have Google essentially sinking their infinite money into YouTube just because it's got a captive audience, it would basically Not Exist. The only truly sustainable, economical way to video hosting and streaming really is to paywall it, whether it be paid access for viewers or charging people to upload. So, basically, the Vimeo model.

And then we can talk about how capitalism shouldnt be making these kinds of things effectively impossible unless you're an international multibillion dollar tech firm but that's a whole other conversation. At a certain point the internet just can't be Free anymore. Shit costs money.

Anyways subscribe to Cohost Plus.


micolithe
@micolithe

Speaking of shit costs money: YouTube forcibly demonetized my channel several years ago because it's not popular enough, the street goes both ways, if they make it harder for someone to get their foot in the door financially why should I respect their demands for me to view ads?


REP-Resent
@REP-Resent

It feels sort of like I'm on crazy pills, because while simultaneously there's a discussion about they have to make money somehow, there's a complete loss of grasp on the Tech Bubble's key point of surface tension.

You can't grow forever, you can't speculate forever, you can't do any of this 'move fast break things' mentality without a critical eye on what the end of the line looks at and get away with it for long. In an unprecedented time of information technology capabilities and expansion of capacity, there was never much thought given to sustainability; more-over, few informed observers nearest to the decision makers seemed capable of considering what the failure of this infrastructure would mean.

In it's own humorous manner, the impossible figures of finance that are at the center of Alphabet's attitudes towards all of their enterprises reflect the mentality of the top performers in big business. Everything, literally everything, is pushed onto the consumer at a time when virtually all audience members are experiencing a financial squeeze.

If Google truly is looking at insane losses of ad revenue in the double digit percentage, it makes you wonder how much they're gambling on AI technology when their approach to Youtube is about as half-assed and ineffectual as ever.


DecayWTF
@DecayWTF

That's sort of the key thing, right? Youtube provides a platform. They're a cable provider! They don't create any of the shows/videos/content but they:

  • Demand to make money off other peoples' work
  • Demand to make infinitely large and ever growing amounts of money off other peoples' work
  • Demand to control S&P
  • Demand to dictate all the terms by which the people who do all the work actually get paid at all (or don't)

They want to have every cake and eat it too, and then on top of that the ways they choose to make that infinitely growing amount of money are provably harmful to everyone who isn't Google! If there's no business model for Youtube that doesn't involve wielding monopoly power like a blunt instrument... Well, it probably shouldn't exist.

So yeah sub to Cohost Plus


TalenLee
@TalenLee

Part of this is the idea that paying attention to ads is free.

It's not.

Ads are labor and demanding control over it is demanding control over your labor. Whatever 'well, rubber meets the road' thinking exists, the whole system can't be this way where google gets to lie to me to pay someone else a fraction of a fraction of a cent.


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in reply to @pendell's post:

look at the threads about the poor quality of open source, people's expectations of baseline have been shifted to require the result of millions of investment for single person open source applications. and yeah some can compete, but not at scale.

but like, also, it means a handspun local volunteer org website looks much worse than what people expect from an Organization. so they move to Facebook groups

data and advertising are the way free has always been funded, from the store loyalty cards that give you discounts in exchange for knowing your shopping habits, to advertiser-driven television and news and radio

but every generation that gets a useful education, advertising loses more and more value, and scale goes up.

I'm not sure subscriptions are a solution either, because a lot of subscription money comes from people forgetting it's enabled -- that's why everyone switched to a subscribe model, but it's the best option cohost has

I payed a subscription for about eighteen months after I tried to cancel it. I knew it was still running but I didn’t feel like sending the emails etc. required to cancel it (and it was going to a creator so I didn’t begrudge them the “extra” money).

But yeah.

it's so infuriating on the handspun local volunteer org site because for some reason "we" collectively decided that any page refresh meant you should be punished with life in prison apparently, so completely static websites are React-based for ??????? reasons half the time

BOOTSTRAP WAS GREAT. IT WAS A BASIC LEVEL OF UI NICENESS THAT WORKED. AND THEN PEOPLE STARTED SHITTING ON IT BECAUSE "WAH IT ALL LOOKS THE SAME" AND THEREFORE MOVED TO THE COMPLETELY THE SAME PAGES ON FUCKING FACEBOOK

you're right, why learn css when you could instead learn css properties, then just write them as shorthand on every single element, i too love being paid by the character

On the other hand, Google basically did this to themselves. They crushed every potential threat to their profits by "generously" making everything free, wiping out the Internet's institutional memory of paying for services that we relied on. And they think that they're so indispensable and/or have built up enough good will that they can cry poverty and pass the hat...

in reply to @DecayWTF's post:

I'm sure it would still be shit on toast SOMEHOW, but part of me thinks I would rather pay Cohost Plus or Nebula.tv amounts of money, either per-website or Patreon-style, for a dozen websites with None Ads (and more critically, None Data Harvesting).

I mean the ultimate problem is capitalism: Cable TV's big selling point when it first emerged was that it was paid for and so there were no ads, and that lasted all of five minutes. But part of the problem is that with no stable business model of any sort they just get more and more aggressive and exploitative because we're not the customers. Stuff being paid-for would at least give services like, well, Cohost a chance of being able to exist and might - might - give the shareholders of the monopolies reason to think about making things work at least minimally for the users instead of just for advertisers.

The more important point is that as long as we're at war with companies like Google, a war they've declared, we should act like it. They can come to the table first.

Yep you're totally on point! The users are the product, and that's been a much more profitable model... for a while. None of these major platforms were built with an eye on the plateau or sustainable peak, bc the Capitalism Police will kill you on sight for suggesting that growth is finite.

it's also that ISPs collude to make video hosting on your own home box suck, so you need somewhere to upload it that people will actually go to.

so they work together to enforce the monopoly.

I still wonder if the Facebook pivot to video scam was because Google was asking them to make them YT look less like a monopoly.

I think about youtube content creator workloads for my favorite video essay people, and it makes me shudder how much shit they gotta do to make their videos and hold an audience on the platform, all while being paid a mean average of about 10-20k/yr even accounting for patreon.

in reply to @TalenLee's post:

concept: an adblocker that doesn't REMOVE the ad, it just replaces it with silent blank video. that way it still registers as having played for the metrics or whatever...

Google has squeezed out nearly all competitors, causing huge swaths of media to be lost forever. They've done their damnedest to erode any public conception of privacy, pulling every dirty trick they can think of to surveil us. On top of all that, they continue to provide a platform for people to advocate for the destruction of myself and everyone I love.

And they think they deserve to be PAID?