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Things i like range from art, to software, to DIY electronics, and whatever current project im having

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doctorwednesday
@doctorwednesday

whenever the subject turns to greymuzzles or paleofurries, I picture them and I collectively as a horde of world-scouring eldritch abominations which were somehow, against all odds, vanquished so that the new world could be born and flourish; and that I alone of them managed to survive into this time, a monster playing the role of a mortal, masked by the impossibility of my existence, renouncing my former allegiance and drawing upon my unspeakable knowledge in order to bring light


chimerror
@chimerror

I'm mostly tired.

The alt.fan.furry and alt.lifestyle.furry wars still echo even as much as the lifestylers thankfully have (mostly) won.

E: 26 years...


chimerror
@chimerror

A comment seemed confused so here's my vague memories of the Fan-Lifestyler divide that broke apart the furry fandom in the 90s. This started well before I showed up, so I don't really know all the details personally and may be misrepresenting things. But basically it was an ancient Usenet culture and flame war in the furry fandom that was going on when I first got involved in high school about 26 years ago now.


fwankie
@fwankie

I have definitely become the cringe lifestyler that most of the people I hung out with on forums back in the day would've found very, very annoying


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I'm very conscious of how someone that's into a thing coming at you can be off-putting, but I will say that as someone who caught up with it about halfway through its initial airing and now on a third watch through a few years later, the show really is good. It's one of those shows where you can see the lineage from Adventure Time, and how the reasoning is, "This can be for kids, but we don't have to talk down to them."

I don't think it's necessarily true to say it's 'aimed at an older audience' because it's never struck me as being deliberately winking at the adults watching, beyond a scant handful of rather well-placed references and animation callbacks - yes, there's an Akira Slide, of course there is. We as the audience are in a similarly confused state as Steven as the show begins, having to have things explained, but always slowly, at a pace the grown-ups seem to think we can handle... sound familiar? It's not a slow show, though, but it captures a lot of what I remember from being a kid of the seemingly glacial pace at which I was trusted by anybody with concepts more complex than a Lego set.

Also, holy shit, watching it through again I am struck by how almost every single line of dialogue contributes to something we'll either see again later or have a chance to unpack and discover for ourselves. Eleven minute episodes don't leave you time to waffle, but seeing just how early some of the payoff we get even near the finale is set up? The show was crafted by people that loved it, and it's hard not to appreciate how dedicated they were to the bit.

As for drama... iaintfucknknow. I don't frequent blogs or fandom sites, and my eyes would glaze over most shrill Twitter clout chasing, but I've seen some of what constituted 'drama' to the Steven Universe fandom and... oh, boy. My longest, most drawn out "whateeeevvverrrrrrrrr".

The first... four episodes are a little rough, but they're dropping a lot on you straight away, so just like Star Trek it's one where I'd say, "Stick with it, I promise." The show's great. Greg is the best character.

The biggest steven universe drama I can remember wasn't even specifically about steven universe, it was your typical tumblr lynch mob forming over someone's fanart being a shade "too light" because the character was standing outside in the sun and naturally tumblr thought this was adequate justification to dox and harass a 13 year old.

I still remember the aftermath of that with some guy posting a picture of his police citation ranting about how unfair it was that he was being charged with online harassment because it was obviously justified defence of the community. Dude in his mid-twenties throwing a tantrum because the cops won't let him bully a middle schooler.

On the rare occasions I encounter people from back then, they all seem to operate from a fundamentally defensive position, that they aren't engaging with the fandom as it is now. I say that, but whenever I go to a con I just get high and party, so I don't know how engaged I am myself. But I am fundamentally okay with what fandom has become; I believe it's improved greatly over the good old days, it's just a better thing now for the people who are in it; while I feel a lot of the ancients are at best just treading water.

in reply to @chimerror's post:

There was definitely a subset of people in fandom uncomfortable with those fans who wanted to be visibly involved with furry all the time, rather than it being a hobby they did on the side... and they intersected with the crowd that just wanted their Disney and their comic books and otherwise loathed fandom at large. It seemed like there were a lot of people in furry fandom who were embarrassed to be fans because other fans were Doing It Wrong. If I'm honest I'll admit I was one of them, but it never occurred to me that other people should be pushed out because they were giving the normies the wrong idea. I just went and did my own thing with my friends. Also, there were plenty of people who thought what I was doing was excessive and gross! Just a fandom full of spite. <3 One result of the fandom being as big as it is now is that you can't know everybody, and you can't be aware of most of the drama that's going on. So that's good?

Also the size of it (and almost mainstreaming of it in a way?) has, for want of a better word, diluted the biggest sources of drama. A similar thing's happened to tabletop gaming - sure, the Comic Book Guys and weird grognards are still there but the rise of mainstream popularity has meant that they're no longer the first thing your average joe on the outside sees when they peek in.

At least furry hasn't had its equivalent of the OSR lot. Yet.

There was a big wave of people who came in during the 2000s, ironically as a result of the anti-furry stuff stirred up on Something Awful and other sites; they're like 'look at the weirdos in their fursuits,' and a whole lot of people were like 'that looks like a lot of fun, actually.' During that period I started to grasp that furry would eventually become accepted the way Trek fandom was: the average person would find it a little odd but basically harmless.

The funniest was the trolls who came in to "infiltrate" the fandom for laughs and found themselves in a genuinely friendlier and more fun-to-be-around crowd than the irony-poisoned south park humour websites they'd come from. I still remember the livejournal "Clankies", whose gig was "hee hee let's pretend like we identify as malfunctioning b-movie robots and the furries will get mad that we're lampooning them" and they just plain didn't expect the furries to be like "oh you have a robosona that's so cool" and welcome them with open arms

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