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Moo 🌸@Moo12/15/2022, 7:29 PM

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Coda @Codarobo12/15/2022, 3:46 PM

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Caius Nocturne @cainoct12/15/2022, 4:18 PM

As someone who intensely struggled in higher education with art and design because my lecturers believed using digital tools was somehow less 'hands-on' than physical shit, yeah, I really don't want people going there with this.

Visual neural nets have provided me with interesting tools to get inspiration and ideas that would be harder to accomplish with basic image searches. They've helped disabled people create visual works.

Capital is as capital does, but let us not make wide sweeping generalisations about a tool that under the right stewardship, is quite benign and actually can offer quite a lot in reducing toil and repetition in artistic labour.

We are all cyborgs - we use tools to enhance our abilities and mediate with the outside world and others.

In my opinion, there is no good answer to 'how much tools do you use to create artwork for it to be considered valid'.

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Keeble @Keeble12/15/2022, 3:54 PM

The funniest thing about that synthesizer preset argument is, like, some early FM synths like the Yamaha DX7 are so bloody impossible to code for that almost everybody just use the presets and, guess what? The e piano 1 patch became so instantly iconic that nobody thinks of it is just overabusing a preset.

But yeah, implication of the capital trying to exploit artists is almost always bad, but it has little to do with the fact that it’s specifically AI. I feel like a lot of people who look at bad art, and say that it is merely not art would not have very progressive opinions on somebody like Kasimir Malevich or Lawrence wiener.

Coda @Codarobo12/15/2022, 9:52 PM

It feels like if the concern was really “making art now doesn’t require enough manual effort, we need it to be more manual to be real” we should be just as upset at the existence of the unity asset store (ok “asset flip discourse” was a thing but i think we can all agree that was stupid and the only people who cared about it were the kinds of people who bring up “ethics in gaming journalism”) or Hatsune miku for taking away work from 3D modelers and vocalists for certain kinds of work that doesn’t inherently need an individual artist making bespoke assets. drum machines for putting drummers out of work. And so on.

Coda @Codarobo12/15/2022, 9:54 PM

(Obviously ai models that contain contemporary copyrighted works is a unique aspect here that is less applicable to those other examples, but that is the actual thing i think it’s reasonable for people to focus on and be upset about, because it IS what makes this exploitative, not simply the fact that making art is technically easier now on some level)

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