Nire Bryce

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Nire Bryce @NireBryce2/15/2023, 6:09 PM

saw link today about the taliban being annoyed that they have to work 9 to 5 bureaucratic jobs

and a reply with the take that the bureaucratic jobs were proof that the US causes everything to be like the US.

which like, American-exceptionallism strikes again. at the Country level you will always need either bureaucracy, fascist or not, because even in utopia, diplomacy is bureaucratic, making sure industry remains fed is bureaucratic, making sure the heat stays on is bureaucratic, making sure needs of the people get met is bureaucratic.

the US didn't cause those things to be necessary, if anything half the problems with the US are from bureaucracy being neglected and farmed out to private contractors that never gain experience.

yes, bureaucracy is necessary even under ideal anarchism. unless your ideal is everyone personally doing more paperwork than people chronically ill and under the poverty line, which is already a lot.

I wish more people would think more than 30 seconds about these things

#The Left #bureaucracy #us pol

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Sherliz Holmes @JhoiraArtificer2/15/2023, 8:45 PM

I don't understand why "someone has to make sure the trains can run, and also not crash into each other" isn't... obvious? I realize I have what might be called a special interest in (functional) bureaucracy, or spreadsheet brain, but these things don't just take care of themselves either.

Nire Bryce @NireBryce2/15/2023, 8:50 PM

it may just be we have more perspective than them.

but also schools in the US have been increasingly negligent so i do wonder.

remember, a big problem in open source is that most people don't understand that people are donating their free time to a project, and users just expect software to Work. same too with people getting out of speeding tickets not realizing it then just means someone else who's less likely to attend now needs to be ticketed (for now), or people saying games should never cost more than 50$, into their thirties.

it feels like there's just... widespread detachment from the idea that things aren't just there. a success of empire so deep that people think the services are just there, like a stream from a spring.

i need to see all the pieces to understand how something works, but my impression is most people can just take things on faith

Sherliz Holmes @JhoiraArtificer2/15/2023, 9:17 PM

I guess my parents (construction to grant accounting) (forestry to CPA) spent a lot of time making sure that I both knew how to understand systems and also that things didn't Just Work, whether that was plant communities or toilet repair or running the regional Girl Scout cookie sale including both cookie distribution (tens of thousands of cases) and all financial work needed (before computerized systems).

My previous job was normalizing global food safety regulations into a database. People I worked closely with did a lot of trade flow and phytosanitary work. All these systems are wildly complicated and a lot of the time it's because the world is messy and yet stuff's gotta happen. I think you're right that a lot of people think that goods and services Just Appear, it's just also baffling to me.

Nire Bryce @NireBryce2/15/2023, 10:31 PM

yeah, was agreeing.

dunno how to solve it tho. but at least we have a lot of people on the cusp of realizing we need to figure out how to make it clearer.

Sherliz Holmes @JhoiraArtificer2/15/2023, 11:01 PM

Yep, was agreeing back to you. :)

Maybe hopefully things like rail strikes (that at least some people support) will make them realize that logistics are required to support life? It would also be great to figure out how to explain this to folks but as I don't fully understand where things are breaking down there, it's hard to bridge the gap. My systems knowledge is breaking down! haha

Nire Bryce @NireBryce2/15/2023, 11:14 PM

yeah. yeah...

hoping.

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