ok going to bed before i talk more about the strife alienation from others' labor causes and how you can't really fault anyone for having that alienation inform their actions in a world that endeavours to cause that alienation.
but goddamn you can't get anywhere without at least assumptions of "neutral faith" if not good faith, and for all parties, communication is a two way street
otherwise shit always spirals because people get defensive about what they think are out of the blue reactions to third order context removed instances and are defensive , likely to not say what they mean, and eventually afraid to use a central tag so no one can follow the discussions.
who then respond in a way that gets flubbed and all it does is cause everyone to get defensive in a spiral and start surveiling each other until the next cycle of missed context starts for all """sides"""
it's the same spiral pattern as every other """discourse""" cycle, which is an indictment of the cycle itself if it can take any topic. no one is out to get anyone. you are not crabs, help each other climb out of the bucket. you can walk out of the proverbial circular firing squad.