NireBryce

reality is the battlefield

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'non-functional programmer'. 'far left'.

conceptual midwife.

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thinking about how computers have bad externalities in the same way desalination does: no one wants to vertically integrate renewables where it most matters because it costs more in the short term, even if its possible to negate a huge amount of the negatives simply by thinking ahead and working together, a thing megacorps find impossible


desalination has the problem where it takes a lot of energy to do, and also they dump the salt back into the sea, causing layers of death where fish can't live that float in the middle of the most swimmable zones for fish populations, acting like a highway splitting a neighborhood.

but that doesnt matter if you pair it with enough renewable energy in the grid that power doesn't matter, and a nearby refinery that cracks the excess highly concentrated brine into lithium, sodium, and chlorine (and small amounts of uranium). convert the chlorine into chloramine and send it to the drinking water treatment plant, pipeline the sodium to a nearby sodium-ion battery plant.

computer power use isn't so bad when you have enough renewables in the entire grid that they aren't "using renewables that creates a gap that needs to be covered with fossil fuel". Datacenters can pair with what are essentially geothermal plants for heat disposal instead of using giant open cycle evaporative cooling things where they just spray resevoir or aquefer drinking water over a grate with the intent that a chunk of it just goes into the atmosphere. etc.

but not even monopolies get to be that tightly integrated. Too much cost for parties with completely different goals and a general unwillingness to invest in things they don't understand

I can't claim to know everything, there's obviously spots here that are currently still unsolved problems.

but the thing about climate doom thinking is that a lot of solutions are out there, but giving up means there's not nearly enough social pressure to force the change


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I think we will need to work on reducing waste within computing by a large margin, but there's going to be a lower bound we will still need to mitigate that can't necessarily be done by just writing better code (if we could even get employers to give the slack for the writing of it) or making less wasteful hardware.

so thinking outside the field so to speak is going to still be necessary.

another issue is corps (relatively recently) seeing r+d as a way to find an edge their competitors will take awhile to catch up in the new red queen race (you have to spend all you can just to keep in place) the inventing company just started.

instead of r+d being about bettering your field/industry/efficiency/etc and eventually having some breakthroughs because of that.

but all that said, yeah I'd like to see more examples, most of mine rely on management giving a shit and properly allocating resources, which seems implausible without a strong collection of tech unions that aren't 2000s era trade unions (high politics low goals few fangs)

Yeah it seems like tech company strategy these days is incompatible with r+d in its original form. Instead, there's been a push lately to use r+d to be a huge money-saver in terms of tax write-offs.

It seems so difficult to find places to make headway once something is so rotten all the way through, but I guess the "you don't have to solve it on your own" adage is key here, and maybe the rottenness will help gain supporters for the cause?

I think most r+d actually goes to trying to find something your opponents can't immediately compete with, while also secretly guessing what they're trying to do the same with so you can at be near-parity right out the gate.

looking for a way to devour the opposition, all the while all the opposition is pouring enough money into speculative R+D simply to keep up and prevent other corps from gaining that lead and simply acquiring their comptition that couldn't keep up.

which feels like a too-simple explanation for why they chased games then ML then voice assistants then tablets then games then blockchain then NFTs then games then LLM general purpose "AI" even though none of their companies were about any of those and they abandoned it immediately once the market leader was no longer strongly contesting it and the lesser competition was no longer dangerously close

Yeah, I've heard it (r+d the way you've discussed above) referred to as a finite game in Finite and Infinite Games (a book whose author I forget) when discussing Apple and Microsoft in the late 90s early 00s.

Companies are focusing on the short term in all sorts of ways, when r+d should ideally be about the long term

Any serious R&D division should have scientists doing basic science. My sense is the companies which can afford that are doing less than was the case 20 or 50 years ago.

Yeah I agree. It seems like there was a time where companies (Bell Labs, Xerox, Kodak) did that, and these days it's less about the science and more about fitting the existing road map into a government grant as a subsidy

But how do we get to the point where we have so many renewables on the grid? California has slammed the breaks HARD on rooftop solar, and installers are laying off. There is an incredible reluctance to overshoot on renewable deployment.

Anyway, your last sentence is spot on.

right, it's not an immediate term solution, but it is a possibility with the tech we have now, just no palpable strong collective will and no will-of-capital at the moment. but we don't gain those by not thinking about it out loud :)

:yeah:

I hope I didn't come off negative, we desperately need more imaging of futures which are relatively desirable within the constraints of what physics allows.