NireBryce

Nire Bryce

@NireBryce

reality is the battlefield

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I speak to the universe and it speaks back, in it's own way.

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'non-functional programmer'. 'far left'.

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NireBryce
@NireBryce

"Bush did 9/11" is so tired.

the toppling of the twin towers being possible in the first place was an accidental collaboration between multiple bin Ladens, one wanting to carry out a terror attack to destroy the United States because he was cut off from his inheritance, and the others running a construction mgacorp that, as all megacorps do, almost certainly cut corners.

Which as you may have guessed by now, means that New York and New Jersey, not the United States, did 9/11 because they set the 1970s building code AND vetted and oversaw the construction process via the Port Authority. If it wasn't up to adequate code, they should have caught it, but every step is rife with corruption

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MorningSong
@MorningSong

I do still let myself get a little bit conspiratorial and believe that a bunch of natsec and military higherups spent most of the late 90s excitedly hoping for a 9/11 (or a cold war II), and had very rough blueprints for a lot of the post-9/11 curtailments to civil liberties ready to go when it did happen.

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NireBryce
@NireBryce

waiting for casus beli from someone you keep provoking, to go to war as "the good guys" is a time honored tradition that Israel is experimenting with now.

but i don't think that part was preplanned, outside of someone stapling their wargammed Second Gulf War plans to the retaliatory phase out of convenience.

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MorningSong
@MorningSong

Oh yeah. It wasn't well planned. But the... kinda non-sequitirness of a lot of lot of the state reaction to 9/11 always struck me as feeling like it wasn't created specifically as a response. Like, "we're going to start monitoring your library book usage", or Ashcroft's Total Information Awareness really feel like they were things the natsec state really wanted to do, but needed an excuse.

I guess by hanlon's razor it could just be disorganized panic flailing, (and ttbf it's not mutually exclusive with my theories but it'd be hard to convince me there wasn't a lot of malice mixed in with the incompetence of the response)

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NireBryce
@NireBryce

we're going to start monitoring your library book usage

ok but like, now I'm imagining librarians engineering an attack so the government creates an actually effective federally unified computerized library system.

i know they'd never try because the surveillance concerns but

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NireBryce
@NireBryce

oh yeah i think there's plenty of opportunism in the response, and a lot of war plan-tasies that were already in the heads of people, I just think the attack itself was a confluence of things that might as well have Yakkity Sax playing in the background.

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MorningSong
@MorningSong

Ah, sorry, I think we mostly agree on that point? I don't think anyone but the hijackers planned what happened (even bin laden's role as i understand it was more like a more illegal version of a venture capitalist), and I don't think anyone outside saudi arabia had anything closet to actionable information about what they were doing.

When i say 'they hoped for 'a' 9/11' i just mean it more as a synecdoche of "they wanted a massively traumatic event that could be spun as 'we were attacked', and used rally public opinion"

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NireBryce
@NireBryce

oh yeah i realized. more just, "there definitely were people with things they'd been working on for years, but the worst part is none of them actually anticipated it, it was just politically expedient in the same way a sex scandal would be" and sorta being despondent about that :p

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Mayabotics
@Mayabotics

There was definitely opportunism going on, but I suspect that most of the panicked flailing for solutions had occurred in Congress.

TIA had it roots in the 90s' Project Genoa, and the massive data collection and domestic spying stuff had it roots in older programs like FAIRVIEW and ThinThread.

It's pretty obvious that the NSA and other agencies went to Congress after 9/11 and said that the attack could have been prevented if only these programs had been better funded and less constrained.

I recall that prior to the 2000 election, the general feeling among cynical politics watchers was that the US & NATO involvement in the Yugoslav Wars would be stepped up if Gore won. and that in the off-chance that Dubya did, he was going to get vengeance on Iraq for trying to assassinate Poppy Bush.

The sad bit were the what-ifs around the Israeli-Palestinian peace process. If Al Gore and later Ehud Barak won their elections, it's likely that we would have had significant concrete progress towards the two state solution by mid-2001, and that probably would have resulted in the 9/11 attacks being called off.

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