NireBryce

reality is the battlefield

the first line goes in Cohost embeds

🐥 I am not embroiled in any legal battle
🐦 other than battles that are legal 🎮

I speak to the universe and it speaks back, in it's own way.

mastodon

email: contact at breadthcharge dot net

I live on the northeast coast of the US.

'non-functional programmer'. 'far left'.

conceptual midwife.

https://cohost.org/NireBryce/post/4929459-here-s-my-five-minut

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AriaSalvatrice
@AriaSalvatrice
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atomicthumbs
@atomicthumbs

the fediverse seems like it's done a real bad job of eradicating hierarchy. it just made a thousand little ones that are kind of hidden and interact in unpredictable ways


NireBryce
@NireBryce

eliminating hierarchy was never it's goal, no matter how many anarchists tried to recruit me to it from 2018-2021 not bothering to realize I already had been there and left due to feudalism.

I'm on it now, with an instance I talk with, and I follow people. But since you can't post to the local timeline without posting to the federated timeline, I still get random people jumping in to badly refute points I've already clarified, one at a time, like henchmen in an Akira Kurosawa samurai movie.

A large collection of leftist devs may have been trying to deploy it to reduce hierarchy, or thought they could through their work, but they all burnt themselves out fighting the rest of it, it seems. Not that it seems like it could even work within the mastodon spec.

We need some form of p2p social networking that has ways of managing spam, reputation, blocks based on those reputation systems, etc -- and it needs to be pseudonymous and changable. I don't know the way forward past that -- there's a lot of attempts but they've all got that newborn deer shaky legs stuff going on and are all like 8 people total working on them. But as long as accounts have to be on servers, instead of accounts hanging out in any servers they choose like they're locations, it won't do it.

If your mastodon account is homed on hachyderm because you're a queer technologist but sometimes want to hang out in the woof.group leatherbar's local feed, you can't with mastodon. That's the biggest indictment of it, to me. In a lot of cases on mastodon, admins and moderators aren't moderating spaces, they're moderating your access to the social graph


kouhai
@kouhai

As a moderator, I don't want to be dealing with all of this drama! I just want a community of people that can talk with other people!


My POV is skewed by being a moderator1 on a medium-sized instance run by a bunch of transfemme (or otherwise queer) SREs (among other jobs) with a fairly permissive federation policy. Of course, we've gotten #fediblocked / defederated for some absolutely ??? reasons, that we can only chalk up to "mastodon culture"…2

It's exhausting at times, to just discover that you're defederated from an instance via a user saying that they can't talk with their [relationship]. This is also "mastodon culture" – resorting to violence that tears inter-community links apart (defederation) instead of making an effort to communicate!

And then there's the third rail of "drama" from last year. That's not my story to tell, though.3


But since you can't post to the local timeline without posting to the federated timeline[…]

This is actually a feature that Claire's glitch fork adds! Unfortunately, this will never get added to mainline Mastodon… because… reasons… cough.4

Anyway, this is one of the reasons why I have committed to not participating in mainline Mastodon development: features useful for mitigating abuse and harassment… just get rejected, mysteriously.


  1. 1312, including moderators. As a moderator that's trying to be a good moderator, I try to minimize the amount of BOFH I inflict on others.5

  2. Or as others have put it: "whiteness".

  3. Harms not limited to cuts on the social graph, but ones that we can consider "tangible", even if they might not always be visible.

  4. Claire is amazing, and is the mastodon developer that we don't deserve.

  5. Yeah, irony.


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in reply to @AriaSalvatrice's post:

I had an account on Kolektiva but I lost the login info about half a month ago. While I miss seeing some people on there I really do not miss "the Fediverse". One of the last things I saw on there was someone celebrating that Mastodon was big enough to have a character of the day a la Twitter and I think that says it all, really. It feels like everyone there is just speedrunning pre-Elon Twitter, and that still sucked! I am tired of social media being a hostility engine.

That's totally fair. I'm pretty sympathetic to the mods b/c I think they have given themselves an impossible and thankless task and did a mostly-OK job of implementing the rules in a "we don't want everyone to defederate from us, please be chill" way (but a lot of stuff goes on in the fedi and I could have easily missed Kolektiva mod fuckery), but in the end it didn't even matter because they got #fediblocked anyway lol.

I've started then deleted a paragraph on the ways that Mastodon bums me out a few times but you've probably read it all before haha. I'm glad Cohost exists as a space where people can post long form stuff or short lil' stuff and the general mood is fun but people don't get treated like they are harshing the vibe if they aren't always upbeat.

tl;dr eggbugg gud

in reply to @AriaSalvatrice's post:

Im sorry, that "Now, I am blocking you for Sea Lioning" bit at the end is fucking hilarious. Its like in the Amy's Baking Company episode of Kitchen Nightmares when she fires that waitress over a single question.

in reply to @atomicthumbs's post:

I've once or twice compared it to people hiding in their favored subforums pretending it's a walled garden and hoping The Bad Posters don't wander in, only to have a Mods Knew moment and, oh, whoops, it's their mod.

"eradicating hierarchy"

Like it or not, this place is like an isolated oligarchy of a country. A benevolent one, but one nonetheless. What will keep it working is that it will not grow orders of magnitude larger, and the oligarchs continuing to agree to some general principles. On the other hand, if the agreement shatters, all bets are off on what emerges from the chaos.

The ActivityPub sphere is more like international diplomacy. Two instances (or groups of instances) over there will get in a pissing match, and everybody suffers as a result, but no one more than the users on the two instances. But honestly, the rest of the instances go about their business, happily trading messages.

So which one is the more stable one? The answer depends on timescale.

in reply to @kouhai's post:

Yeah, my choice to self-host different software isn't even simply the difference in performance (and thus, vps plan required), it's how mastodon is so damn authoritarian attempting to take over the network and deciding in your stead what should be configuration options.

(As a self-hoster, my moderation workload is basically zero, however. Blocking the ~30 worst instances currently active means problem people almost never reach my menshies)

the workload isn't that bad at medium instance scale, either. we're very over-provisioned in mods, and have enough for essentially 24/7 coverage (minus, y'know, people having a life)

so our average of one report per day get resolved within an hour for the most trivial, and anything beyond that's generally in the realm of "we should discuss this on discord"

(no, we don't discuss it on mastodon. why would we? the moderator ux sucks, and was clearly made by someone who hasn't wanted to do much collaborative moderation.)