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hellgnoll
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Especially if it's also your bedroom and where you hang out online via Discord. What'd i spend 2023 doing? Getting CO2 poisoned apparently. Probably since i moved in honestly.

My roommate got a meter and ran it in both our rooms all day and basically the circulation in our rooms are bad whenever the door is closed and CO2 buildup gets shitty. right into the bottom of "cognitive effects" range. i keep my door closed a lot for privacy / noise reduction and this is apparently Pretty Bad for me.

Gwyn CO2 poisoning era apparently.

The part that has damaged my ego the most is that when i told a local sciencey friend about this they said "oh that explains a lot". My lord I've been wandering around Toronto giving off the vibes of somebody with CO2 poisoning apparently.

This sucks man like how did i end up being the person in the polycule with CO2 poisoning. That's just absurd, the vibes don't line up! I can't explain myself. If you know, you know!

Anyways try not to get CO2 poisoning. 0/5. Fresh air good, 5/5.


Osmose
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I take it back I regret buying this now I'm just constantly worried that my old rental house is making me dumber and opening windows in winter is not a solution FUCK


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1800 is where it starts being [Very] noticable, 1500 is probably the low range of it actually being [noticably] impairing (but you do build a sort of tolerance compared to test subjects who don't live in those conditions, so probably shift each down 200 for the noticable ranges if it's someone not in that) but i haven't done any direct research there). but it's not poisoning in the sense that it builds up in you at least, like CO(1) poisoning does

also if you buy a device that can't be re-calibrated, it'll become obsolete in a year or two -- many are calibrated assuming 450ppm is the baseline, but we've gone up 50ppm in just a few years thanks to fossil fuels and wildfires.

see, that's the thing though, the errorbars on it are pretty wide. on the extremes you've got things like
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0360132323009940 nothing below 2000
https://annas-archive.org/scidb/10.1080/15459624.2015.1076160?scidb_verified=1 bad above 800

see also https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S187770581502768X the type of CO2 may matter (and the bioeffluents may be picked up in filters), etc.

But if you're someone who's been breathing high CO2 for awhile, you're often not going to really notice when it hits 1200 and you don't have a monitor up, is my point. you're used to the sensation, so when the impairment you are able to notice when it kicks in seems worth pointing out. (Oh, I see the problem, I wrote shift 200 up, not down! fixed language around the first part too)

or, phrased better, 1000 ppm is the "arbitrary" number picked by CA and others, finland is 1200, etc that are based usually on the research done there, but broader it's all over the place. you obvs want lower but there's a lot of confounding factors making the actual number more slippery, and when it comes to physical-perception people without monitors living in high CO2 are going to notice way later than the actual impairment happens.

(We were trying to figure out if there was CO2 scrubbing HVAC stuff when we discovered our house didn't breathe, but ended up going with an ERV instead (heat exchanger so you can bring in fresh air without just blowing all your heat out), which is why I ended up down this rabbit hole in winter 2022-3)

listen Nire i literally had like 25% of my chronic fatigue clear up after keeping my place aired out and below 1000ppm over the last few days. you can say what you want but if you're going to come into my menchies and tell people not to worry get your units right.

and actually it does "build up" because if you get literally chronic fatigue out of it, guess what, that takes time to recover from, as i've been finding. i've been living over 1000ppm for about 3 years and me chronic fatigue has gotten worse day over day since i moved.

i'm mostly saying all this out of courtesy, as it stands you're being invasive and dismissive about serious health matters and spreading your amateur research as if it's more authorative than international public policy and research strikes me as dangerous.

lol i got a meter yesterday and my first home office reading was 2500 ppm. this might explain why i've been struggling so much with headaches, fatigue and inability to focus and why all my symptoms get better in the summer, when i always have a window open

ngl the sheer number of people i have saved from CO2 poisoning makes me think there may in fact be a systemic problem with the way we handle fresh air in north america

everyone being locked up due to pandemic isn't helping either

Just got a CO2 meter of my own because the symptoms people have mentioned sound eerily similar to what I get, and I spend so much of my time in my room with the door closed that I'm worried it's probably being detrimental 😩

Results certainly aren't promising, though just barely on the edge at the moment, so I'll give it some time to figure out, especially since I have a cold right now so I'll probably only really be able to notice any change after that's gone

My meter doesn't log data, so I've just been checking it every so often, so figuring out trends will take me some time anyway

Leaving the window open for a bit seems to make a pretty huge change in the amount though, wish it wasn't so cold so that I could leave it open for longer

Yeah this is a big issue in northern climates, Toronto has been having a really mild winter so I've been able to get by but i know for a lot of folks it's not really something that much can be done about

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