Partheniad

waste of flesh.

game designer. queer. disabled. amazing taste. poor choices.
look, i just like talking about media, okay?

it aint that deep.


one of the easiest ways to tell what a superhero's whole deal is (their thesis) is to look at their nemesis (their antithesis). the fun thing about a nemesis is that they are the exception to the rule, the outsider to the hero's worldview.

Superman is a refugee raised in the midwest who was told that people are inherently good and that they just need help sometimes. To counter this you give him an ultra-capitalist villain who could save the world, but won't unless he gets all the credit for it, what's the point of saving the world if you can't put the corporate logo on it. One of the biggest misunderstandings when writing Lex Luthor, in my opinion, is putting him in his iron man armors. They constantly have him put on a suit and try and beat Superman and fight him. Which he will never win- you don't beat Superman in a fight. No, he is actually at his most threatening when he isn't in the armor because then, Superman can't touch him. What is he gonna fight Lex? Punch him across the room? So much of Superman's rogues gallery is about might and making someone who is "totally gonna be an actual threat this time we promise". So having Lex be someone who sidesteps that and refuses to fight Superman on those terms is when he is at his best. Worse that happens? Superman kills him and he still wins. You look at how the hero wants to fight, the worldview they want to have, and then place someone in opposition to those things.

Batman is much the same. He wants to defeat crime and save people, he wants to believe everyone can get better. So you make Joker, someone who is horrific and loves being that way, he won't change because he doesn't want to- he loves being who he is. Almost every other member of the rogues gallery has some tragedy that keeps them going, something unfair that if corrected would mean they could stop, they could heal. The Joker is incapable of that so you get this endless cycle that works great for this style of story. But most importantly who both these characters are will force them into conflict.

there are lots of characters lacking in a proper nemesis because they don't create a sharp enough contrast to work. this kind of diametric reaction where when one acts, it is also defining the other. i think this is a good exercise for character writing and creating antagonists is to figure out your hero first; what they want, how they fight for that, what they believe in. Then subvert, convert, and pervert those ideas until you have proper opposition.


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Stuff like you describe is one of the reasons I tend to think of Doctor Octopus as the Peter Parker Spider-Man nemesis instead of Green Goblin or whichever symbioted-up character happens to be a bad guy this week. He's so easy to imagine as "What if Peter grew-up bitter?" The incredibly intelligent and inventive adult who, when granted great power, decides to put it to ill ends instead of help people. He drives home what the real stakes for Peter are: If he stops caring for others, he's going to become Doc Ock.

Also, when I was a kid I read that story where Doc Ock turned Sandman into a glass statue and then shattered him, and that was cool as hell.

I mean Pete has the best Rogue's Gallery outside Batman and tends to have a lot of foils. I think Ock has more or less stepped out of the Nemesis role since Superior Spider-man where you see how much the two have in common. In my mind he is much more a Mirror than a Nemesis. A villain where you go, ah there but for the grace of god go I. It's easy to imagine Peter going down that road of lab accident to "I'm going to get mine" because that's exactly what he did and then Uncle Ben dies.

Pete has the best known Thesis in comics: With great power there must also come great responsibility. And I personally think Norman has the better claim to subverting that. He is all power: social, economic, and superpowers. But he doesn't see any responsibility to it outside his own whims. It just makes him more of a king.

Still it is also interesting how those two can wind up swapping in and out for who is the primary antagonist in Pete's life. With Otto having stepped up when Norman became more of an Avengers villain during Dark Reign.

I really need to go back and read those Superior Spider-Man comics. I feel like that's one of those ideas that's stuck-around to some degree, even if it's just making "hops bodies when he dies" a power for Doc Ock.

There is currently another Superior Spider-Man series running. That run has a good amount of affection for it. The wildest thing for me is how much they keep fluctuating his appearance until finally just giving up and reverting to the classic look.