Raake

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@Raake

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lorenziniforce
@lorenziniforce
ponett
@ponett

i can't really blame people for doing this, but it does sadden me to see artists make their own art worse (or just straight up delete all their shit off of social media) due to AI scraping paranoia. people putting giant ugly watermarks over their art. people putting their art through glaze and nightshade, which are supposedly "virtually imperceptible to the naked eye" but is extremely obvious on anything that's high enough in resolution or that uses flat colors. in particular i've seen pixel artists feel the need to glaze their art, even though the filter often makes pixel art look like it's been through a jpeg deep fryer. (but if you express any distaste towards nightshade and/or glaze people will just accuse you of being pro-AI)

idk, maybe it's defeatist of me, but the AI models already have millions (billions?) of images in their data sets. if my shit was ever gonna get scraped then it's already been done. deleting it won't do any good. making my new art uglier with watermarks/filters/etc. would just make the experience of looking at my art worse for everyone else in the hopes that it might possibly someday ruin an AI generation or two pulling from my work. again, i don't blame artists who feel the need to use these protections, especially bigger artists who have demonstrably had their work scraped, but i just can't play that game

lorenziniforce
@lorenziniforce

I've been saying this, and nightshade and glaze especially I don't trust to have actually enough of a poisoning effect to make it worth how much time it apparently takes to run them and the deleterious effects it has on the final product

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glaze and nightshade are very easily defeated too, like, it's completely worthless to use them.

at the very least I understand when commissioned work is posted with massive ugly watermarks because you know that the clean edition is for the patron's eyes first and foremost

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feybeasts
@feybeasts

It’s like worrying about theft, right? You can spend all your time worrying and hunting and fighting and driving yourself up the wall over it, or you can just… do what you love anyways and regardless of bad actors, because not doing it ultimately harms you and the people who genuinely love what you do more.

I’ve just kinda settled into the latter these days, and it might not be perfect, but it keeps me sane!

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dazedstargazer
@dazedstargazer

whether or not it's possible to defeat ai models with those techniques we've definitely just been feeling the mood of is it even worth it to make our art worse to do it at this point? we mostly make art for ourselves and then share it because we enjoy people connecting to it, making it worse to look at just feels counterproductive to what we want out of art.

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CaptainHarrie
@CaptainHarrie

I don't read this post as criticism personally, OP is just lamenting the state of things, and doesn't personally want to use these methods. But she was also pretty clear about understanding why people do. Sometimes a vent is just a vent. It is pretty sad that this is the state of things these days.

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SpottyCatIllustration
@SpottyCatIllustration

I see it like this...

I'm going to tell stories with drawings and physical art things and do stuff AI just can't do.

I'm going to put signatures on my pinups with lots of organic shapes in my flowery cursive and put them close enough that AI will end up picking them up.

I'm going to hand craft comics like @SiliconeValleyComic with a pen and bottle of ink, lettering each word by hand in ink because I like it that way.

I'm also licensing all my works using (CC BY-NC-ND 4.0) when posted on public platforms, which may be a piece of paper to use in future legal proceedings.

Otherwise I'm just going to do stuff a computer can't do, like tell a convoluted story about love with nuanced characters and emotions.

...People putting watermarks and glaze is just an admission of defeat when they think a computer is doing a better job than them at creating art. We should be embracing our humanity and we should make art with physical tools. Leave some natural wander in your lines, some scribble, some paper texture. Hell make prints using analog methods like blocks or plates you create by hand.

Also AI sucks at making porn, it just isn't hot.

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goatplanet
@goatplanet

people have brought up glaze/nightshade being easily worked around already, but tbh I don't bother because scraping my work for ai will just make the outputs worse. privileges of an amateur artist lol.

especially since I use a lot of flat colors, which means glaze and nightshade will make it look worse on top of being defeated by a 2% ambient occlusion filter.

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GraceKraft
@GraceKraft

I work in traditional watercolor so I like to think (I hope) my art is already by nature hard for AI to utilize in a way that matters, if it even uses my art at all. I don’t think Glaze and Nightshade would do anything beneficial to my work, and it seems like a pain to even get to work. But watermarks I already needed to prevent people from stealing my art and slapping it on things to sell. But I agree, still sucks I have to even do that in the first place. I’m tired and I just want to share my art with the people who appreciate it.

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