Ryyudo

That "I Fucked Up!" guy

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That Twitch dot tv dot com streamer. That once FGC commentator and memer with some bangers.

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Came across a thread on Twitter. While I didn't see the original tweet, a conversation about commentary/commentators emerged over it. It was clear to me that the folks responding to Jebailey/Tong weren't familiar to the workings behind production.

It's been a few weeks, intentionally. I wanted to wait until after CEOtaku before making any responses.

Nonetheless, it's been on my mind: Most folks DON'T know the workings behind the scenes. In general, but especially when it comes to commentary. I feel folks may think it's more simple than it appears to be. Which, is the goal: If it looks effortless, then the commentator succeeded.

So I wanted to put together a response to some of the things said here, while supplementing with my own experience to give more insight into the commentary side of things.


Commentating is both a hobby and volunteer work (for most of the community.)

There's an audition process behind any major event seeking commentators. So how do you prove that you're good enough for the big stage? You have to volunteer to do commentary for local and online tournaments. This is important as well, because it does give you experience and show that you're taking it seriously (a huge trapping of locals and casual online is that folks don't take it seriously, using it as a platform to try to be funny for an audience they haven't had before.)

Then, would-be commentators must have the the capability to make it to the tournament. Which means earning enough money, PTO, and general life stability in one's everyday life to be consistent enough to show up to events and earn that meddle. Live in a mecca for regional and larger events significantly help; being outside one means those requirements grow more expensive.

Also, commentators need to remember to sign up. This is shockingly more common than you may think, at ANY level of commentary. 😂 If you don't sign up, you're not getting slots.

Commentators do not earn that much.

Commentary shouldn't be done with the expectation of profit. Unless you've learned how to consume exposure, commentary earnings only covers for a fraction of the trip itself. 98% of commentators are not flown out or given a hotel room for events. You'd have to be hyper-frugal to earn anything, so it should just be seen as a discount to a working vacation.

Well I'll just play in tournament and do commentary at the same time.

Commentators can NOT swap between playing and commentating if they're happening at the same time. You have to be dedicated to commentary and DQ yourself if schedules clash, or not enter in the first place.

Generally, organizers will help create a schedule so you can do both. That said, if you do well enough that it does clash (e.g. qualifying for Top 32, but you're also scheduled to commentate it,) you must either tell them as early as you can so they have enough time find another commentator, or DQ yourself after you qualify.

The "continuing to play" option sucks a little because they have a limited number of folks to work with AT the event, let alone available. If they had a lot of people who could fulfill the role, we wouldn't be having this conversation in the first place. :)

Folks attempting to do both (or more) will quickly learn it requires a lot of energy!

It's difficult to keep up proper energy for both, resulting in lower-quality performances in all directions. Giving up performance levels that they spent time and mind on isn't worth it to many folks. Sometimes even having to give up on hanging out with folks if the need for sleep calls.

This is something I got to talk with my friend, Ruric, about at CEOtaku. He's a top level player, placing Top 8 in both Granblue Fantasy and UNICLR.

He very much understood the limitations for him to be a commentator, alluding back to a time when he realized exactly how much energy just competing alone required and tried to do commentary as well. His focus had to slip somewhere to maintain both and he opted to be a competitor instead and said he'll never mix the two again.

If you have any grandeur of being among the best players, fitting commentary into the mix will be detrimental to the cause.

Commentary is held to a high standard of quality.

Despite all this, just because there's not many commentators available doesn't mean that desperation spits in the face of quality.

Not everyone is at the quality stream directors and TOs want. The director is responsible for the show on their, or another brand's(!), channel they're hosting on. If the commentators do something wrong, directors are still held responsible for that show.

Conclusion

So the pipeline we're working with is:

  • Many folks aren't willing or able to spend their limited time and resources to effectively pay to work at an event. Hence, a lack of volunteers in general.

  • Tournaments pick from a limited pool of folks. The older the game, the more limited the options.

  • Many would-be commentators opt to play instead of commentate.

  • Others aren't up to the level, or have enough proof of skill, desired for the event.

  • Just because the event may be hurting for commentators doesn't mean everyone gets in.

So when folks say there's so many commentators to pick from, I believe most are truly unaware what behind-the-scenes looks like. That it's not just "picking anyone around," it's a vetted process. They just see a likable face on their screens and assume they're getting on fine without seeing the sacrifices to be there and the continued cost to remain there.

I'd guess how we see TV/film actors and actresses trickles into "anyone hired to be on-screen," and the base assumption is that they're getting pampered nicely.

I'm sure there's some stuff I missed but, hey, that's what the Ask page is for! Whether it has to do with the subject at hand or any other curiosities. surrounding it.


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in reply to @Ryyudo's post:

Honestly, I don't dabble that much in fighting games, but I can already think of half a dozen skills commentating on it would require that seems like a lot of people underestimate?

It's not enough to just know the game, you have to be able to process and react quick enough (to something that is already happening so fast!) to communicate what just happened to the audience and why that's important... you have to have charisma to connect with the audience and any co-commentary... and the stamina required to really focus on all of that and keep the commentary coming for whole blocks of time? And add all that on top of all the things you already mentioned? Whew!

Nothing but respect to everyone dedicated enough to provide the quality commentary required at events! Thanks for the insightful look on more of the behind the scenes of what goes into this!

Oh yeah. absolutely folks undersell the skills involved. The highest degrees of entertainment is on display, especially for a hobbyist. It's legitimately incredible!

I've seen folks who believe it's easy find themselves on the mic end up realizing that they're not as funny, quick, or cohesive as they thought in their mind palace. Then there's incorrect information or too much time spent explaining something, folks talking with chat instead of commentating, inappropriate trying-to-get-a-rise edgy jokes, etc.. I could talk about this for hours 🤭

So I'll say I greatly appreciate your appreciation to the commentators out there. Folks all around are so freaking fantastic and anytime you tell someone you love their commentary randomly, it will make their day. Can't eat exposure, but it's still a great bonus.

I also feel like the unspoken elephant in the room is the fact that CEOtaku is located in Florida, which outside of normal travel concerns that you've already brought up can be...a significantly understandable deterrent for potential commentators (esp. from, e.g., the Melty community) to travel there.

It really is a big complex machine and a lot of people don't give that the thought it deserves.

Yeah, I feel like folks just see a commentator existing and decide its a direct solution. Jebailey has been fighting with Florida frustrations for a while now (all at the same time folks blaming him for city-wide changes in Daytona, somehow.)

But folks want to be mad. It's easy to be mad....

I used to work in operations (running the floors, organizing panel spaces, booth control, celebrity guest wrangling, etc.) at a couple of large fan conventions, and something that people would always say whenever there was a huge delay with a line, or if a panel had limited space, or any of a number of similar things was “why don’t you have more staff” “why can’t you open another overflow room?” Etc. People on the ground throwing these criticisms out absolutely do not have an understanding of the problems of scale behind the scenes once you start looking at logistical and staffing difficulties.

You add another commentator table and a stream to cover Melty. Cool! Do you also have the support staff to run the stream and check audio? Can you pull tables away from your supply, which you might have a limited number of due to an agreement with whatever event operations service you’re working with at the venue? More spaces to setup means you’re shelling out more money, and it gets even more wicked expensive if you’re doing that last minute.

Being frustrated and disappointed when something “easy” isn’t being done to support the thing you love is understandable. But people do not understand what they do not see.

Right! You hit so many nails on the head from your expertise!

It feels like a simple solution from the outside (and in some cases it might be underestimating things prior to the situation) but usually the simple solution in the moment vcannot be executed on as it's already too late.

The scale that catches so many folks off guard is the cost of internet at events. "Just add more internet" is a bonkers cost and is so often the choke point.

I kinda feel like the combo of working behind the scenes production and event planning along with retail in the past makes me the most passive person when it comes to service complaints lmao. 😅

Only very few events actually pay commentators. As someone who does a lot of online comms, with very few plans for doing offline comms. It's simple.
I can't afford to travel that much.

Commentators below the top 0.1% aren't appreciated a lot and aren't paid well enough that they can put in the effort the job needs.

And of course... fuck Florida :)

That's absolutely something I should have clarified better (and may either edit in or addendum): 99% of events don't have pay. It's literally volunteer work all the way to that last 1% at majors. And that's just any pay. Much love to the folks who paid folks for smaller/online brackets. Usually I just turn it down because I feel legitimately guilty. 😅

But you're so right, there's so few paths to be that 0.1% career commentator. 😔 The folks who do get to put that time in shine like crazy though!

And, very understandably, fuck Florida. 🤣 Hard earned money doesn't have to go to places, deservedly, gaining ire for the limited trips folks can take.