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nicky
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man idk i just... i can't get behind big art with huge budgets and corporate PR campaigns anymore. if it makes me a snob so be it. but i need more art made by someone for an audience of themselves and maybe 50 people

nicky
@nicky

i don't care about AAA gaming's latest flop, i don't care about Hollywood tax write-offs in the form of films, i don't care about Universal Music Group's latest industry plant, i don't carrrrrreeeeeeeeee give me something realllllllllllllllll

wgwgsa
@wgwgsa

Two drums I will continue to beat are that 1) liking things made for an audience of 50-100 sickos is virtuous and healing for the soul and 2) people who complain about "snobs who think they're better than you for listening to obscure music / film / whatever" are reeeaallly projecting their insecurities! But also they're wrong and the snobs are right

nicky
@nicky

i will sample your two drums and make a beautiful beat with them. art is forever peace and love on planet earth

irisjaycomics
@irisjaycomics

I'M TIRED OF BEING A POPTIMIST

i'm tired of having to pretend like there is value in all popular media. i'm tired of being told what The Next Big Thing is. i'm tired of drinking from the content faucet. i'm tired of success stories. i work in a marginal industry with a deep-seated inferiority complex built around an art medium that allows loners and small groups of weirdos to create stories that are better than any overhyped VFX dreck. i'm tired of hearing music that sounds like the music i was listening to ten years ago but worse, marketed to the people who weren't there and don't want anything TOO scary. i'm tired of "fandom culture" becoming the predominant demographic. i'm old. i'm a nasty old grandma. i'm a hipster mummy entombed in my ringer novelty tee and trucker cap deep within a forgotten crypt, surrounded by weird niche art made by freaks and friends that will never see broad-spectrum corporate-marketed nationwide release. it's nice here. i like it. fuck off.

SPNKr
@SPNKr

It is time to bring back 2008 era "hipsters"

I need to see a bisexual dude in skinny jeans rip call of duty to shreds. I want a girl in a cardigan to bully DiscussingFilm fans.

We can make this happen.

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jcolag
@jcolag

For decades, it has frustrated me to no end that I've known a lot of people who feel like this to different degrees (from "I'd rather go to the theater" to "scour the web for unfinished projects"), and despite so much technology and so much cooperation, there isn't a single website where people talk up random indie projects that they found.

The closest is horror films, where you "only" need to find a friendly actor on social media who likes working in that space, and they'll tell you everything going on in their city...

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hootowlstar
@hootowlstar

unless I've mistakened your points, there are sites for lots of niches actually! taking films for example, there's Cinemos and MUBI etc. that provide discussions for smaller films. just need some effort to look for the sites

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jcolag
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I think (no guarantee after a month...) that I meant something like, when one of the big publishers (any medium) has something in the works, everybody knows about it and can follow most of the development process. If it's a big brand, you need to put work into not hearing every detail.

For independent work, though, what are we looking forward to? Nobody knows except the people working on those things. If you're lucky, it gets enough buzz after release that (as you rightly point out) a niche streaming service picks it up and maybe even talks about it, but it gets dumped in the pile with far more famous projects.

So, similar and related, but somewhat different contexts, I think.

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Art-Raccoon
@Art-Raccoon

A former acquaintance of mine once spent an hour arguing vehemently in the group chat that star wars (7 had just come out) was clearly the greatest, the height, the peak of human artistic works because so many people knew about it and the more people that like something, the better it is

They got really mad when I tried to explain what "marketing" was

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xyzzy
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i think poptimism had a valid purpose, but at this point it's just devolved in to "kissing the asses of the most famous people on earth" and i think people are starting to wake up to that. the point was that pop music can be good, not that all pop music is the best stuff on earth and everything else is pretentious crap for losers

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hecker
@hecker

As it happens, David Marx published a post recently that is a critique of what he calls “ultra-poptimism” (that “simply inverted snobbish criticism”) and a call for a return to serious criticism, to “provide explicit praise to artists working in novel and complex forms, while denying esteem to artists who stick to staid and simple ones.” It’s part 3 of a three-part series that’s well worth reading and echoes many of the posts and comments in this thread.

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ArcFlash
@ArcFlash

I am so tired of fandom culture ballooning into a monstrous form that becomes so unweildy so fast and just engulfs everyone in the same shitty practice and drama. I actively seek out artists and projects that do not have that surrounding it.

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