i'm surprised to see people on cohost doing ai art stuff. i assumed, wrongly i guess, that it ran against the vibe
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its a little weird
but at the same time, its mostly been for fun from what ive seen
or just talking about interesting results gotten from it
no one is peddling it as the replacement for human art here, thankfully (from the little posts ive seen with it :p)
idk, i just don't feel like there's any good in "for fun" uses of models trained on stolen work
the main person ive seen doing it seems to actually be doing creative and transformative stuff with it, and is using it as a tool
personally i don't feel like there's any good in that either, it feels like laundering to me, but there's definitely people on cohost just presenting generated images straight out of the oven
the person I’m talking about was using it to generate old music and then splicing bits together to create songs/mixtapes
that's w/e by itself, but the outsized harm ml art models do make their existence and use unconscionable regardless, imho
I'm sorry if I come off as pissy, but in what way can machine learning stealing and remixing art be "creative and transformative"? It's using actual artists art without their knowledge nor consent, and doesn't do anything on it's own (except train the system to eventually replace them)
i don't think mint meant that the ML output itself was creative or transformative, but rather what the end user does with that product, which can be depending on what's actually done with it
as an example, one could theoretically use ML output as reference material for a piece, which i wouldn't inherently regard as theft any more than using a single input work as a reference
i don't think a handful of iffy use cases justifies its existence in light of waves hands vaguely everything else though
The channel on YouTube Corridor made a spiderverse short video using AI as a tool rather than a finished product by itself. They have a video on the making of it that shows how it can be used as a tool for making art and not just “here’s a finished peice of art”. When I see the thing by corridor, it definitely feels transformative rather than stealing. I definitely don’t feel good about the way art is stolen from artists to train the models, and want that to change, but there are transformative uses of this that use it as tools. Another example is ai inpainting, that uses ai to fill/replace part of an image. I still don’t feel great about how they get the data to train the models, but there are transformative use cases where it’s used as a tool in a creation instead of just a creation itself.
I despise what AI has done to the lives of creatives. It really can be used for a bit of good fun though. I just hate how many people try to pass AI as their own, or tweak it and say its a "mixed media" piece
it really seems to have drained a lot of the soul out of fanart and i miss the time when you could tell how someone's personality is changing by the tones you feel from the works of them, but it's so easy now, it will probably never come back
i just hope ai art doesn't cannibalize itself until there are no new sources of "what new character looks like" because it's all just adaptations of previous works