Salubrious

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@Salubrious

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Hey, don't ask me my opinion -- I'm nobody. Just pretend I'm not here.

I mostly just post about things tangentially related to The Simpsons, or Morrowind or The X-COM Files.

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Salubrious
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bruno
@bruno
bruno
@bruno

It's interesting to see people going "hm the fact that there's the Two Fingers and then there's the Three Fingers in Elden Ring seems to imply that at one point they were all one hand, or maybe that they are counterparts to one another or halves of the same coin" and then seeing the counterargument to that be "well hmm if you take the model for the two fingers and the model for the three fingers and you rotate them and mash them together you can see that they don't really fit so I don't think so"

It's just such a... remarkably absurd line of argument. It's not Doylist nor Watsonian but just insane. And yet such is the way people argue about those things that it has as much weight as a much more textually grounded argument.

Salubrious
@Salubrious

Did Elden Ring theorists forget about thumbs?

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balketh
@balketh

(not a spoiler) Ironically, the DLC blows all of those arguments out of the water by confirming 'it has NOTHING to do with how many fingers are on a hand, that has never been in play as a reason for the problems with the Fingers in the world, and this should have been obvious from Caria onwards. It's a whole different problem, and you get the answer to it.'

The actual, outside-of-Lore reason the Three Fingers has, well, three fingers, one being 'Thumb-like', is because (I think!) it makes it look like a Left Hand by doing that.

And thus, Sinister. >_> I wish I were kidding, but that's the ONLY context I can find for it other than the game lore mentioning having three fingers is considered bad luck (likely because of the Three Fingers.)

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Glad-Hatter
@Glad-Hatter

Same kind of energy as people who go into the files for removed content or tiny inconsequential details underneath layers that no one was ever going to see removed ingame and then point at them as Evidence for some plot theory or other

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gnostechnician
@gnostechnician

I think that removed content can provide useful insight into authorial intent and past revisions. Like "oh, this thing that feels kind of out-of-place was part of a bigger thing that was scrapped and some design elements of that remain." But the value of authorial intent in actually analyzing the text of art is shaky. Insight into the creative process is valuable to understanding how a work came together, but ultimately it is what it is regardless of that.

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Glad-Hatter
@Glad-Hatter

Yeah, it absolutely can be, but using them as Proof of your incontrovertible vision of Canon is a different thing altogether- even if that's how you're approaching the story, which is already dubious, the stuff was removed for a reason and shouldn't be considered part of the narrative that the creators actually presented.

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Archytas
@Archytas

My headcannon is that the Frenzied Flame specifically picked 3 fingers to be an emissary to prey on this connection. The context the Frenzied Flame gives to justify itself is not very corroborated? It's a bit dubious to trust at face value. I don't doubt there's some truth to it but it seems like key details are withheld for a very clean narrative which none of the outer gods actually have. Also, Shabriri betrays some of this lie by what he claims can be saved even though going through with the ending would mean no saving.

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