SamKeeper

Then Eve, Being A Force

Laughed At Their Decision



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it's very frustrating how much time I spend thinking about Homestuck and how much of my creative and critical output is tied to Homestuck because it's impossible to talk about without sounding like a god damned fucking lunatic to outsiders.


SamKeeper
@SamKeeper

this is especially frustrating because having conversations with maybe 80% of actual homestuck fans is like having your skull trepanned, and it's in a way that makes you sound like a lunatic if you explain it to anyone outside. like oh yeah see the sex scenes in godfeels are sectioned off as self contained stories specifically branded "unnecessary" because of how completely unhinged and puritanical people within the fandom are about the idea of someone writing a story about trans women having positive sexual experiences. so there's this protective layer of plausible deniability that admittedly isn't working all that well because people are still insane about the fact that they over-identify with some of these characters and their relationships and just the fact that godfeels is fucking with these "canonical endgame pairings" has gotten Sarah accused of being an ideological incel (?). which is all really frustrating because we've put so much thought put into how those scenes fit into the broader thematic questions of belonging and identity that the story is about and also sometimes women murder each other homoerotically but don't worry they're immortal and also that technically only happens in this fanfic of the fanfic but we're BASICALLY canonizing it at this point which is interesting because the whole climactic monologue of Polyfeels hinges on Terezi's awareness of the fact that it's an extracanonical work where she feels safe expressing emotions she wouldn't within Godfeels itself and why are you looking at me like that and backing away


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ive always kind of been nebulously interested in getting around to godfeels someday but "thematic questions of belonging and identity that the story is about and also sometimes women murder each other homoerotically" has piqued my interest actually that sounds rad as hell... alas i still dunno if ill get around to it yet, it's hard to Get Around To Things

I honestly think this captures some of what makes homestuck great, i.e. deranged queer characters and a LOT of play with concepts like canonicity, truth, relevance, how we narrativize our lives or use narrative to rationalize our choices... while also being deeply weird and often very goofy, dumb, and comedic.

so I just confirmed with Sarah and basically it's a mix of things? like, she likes stories that are In Parts, and 2 was written as a Part, and then Penny in a Bed of Flowers was written in its own little rush as a self contained unit. and putting them as their own sections that can be linked to independently also sort of elevates the Interludes as like works in their own right which I do think is how some people read and talk about them, which is interesting...

but yeah apparently even in part 2 people started leaving comments about being like uncomfortable with how flirty things were getting between June and Terezi, like oh is this going to Become Porn?? and the vibe in the fandom then (and now) was very like oh there's Stories and there's Smut and people still get VERY weird about the fact that there's a sexual component to godfeels AT ALL, so separating the Interludes out is this concession to that discourse and to minors and ace people that have been like "well I certainly don't want to be reading THAT"

that makes sense, both on a macro cross-fandom level (at least on A03, where the distinction between SMUT and NOT SMUT must be kept very clear, or people lose their goddamn minds) and on the micro Homestuck-specific level where there's that small but vocal cohort that really believes anyone who ships any of the characters with each other should be in jail. it's still a structurally interesting choice, though.

yeah it genuinely feels like the rating systems inherited from ff.net did some real damage to people's brains, in terms of assuming that if a sex scene appears in anything it's inherently Pornographic?

and also like we have some dedicated haters who specifically are SO mad at the idea of Rose and Kanaya hooking up and eventually getting into a relationship with June and Terezi. just totally revolted at the idea of this lesbian relationship being anything other than a perfect monogamous pairing that stays unchanging forever! it's so bizarre.