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georges
@georges

So, a while ago I agreed to play some D&D, even though I'm not a fan of that game (https://cohost.org/georges/post/2026273-d-d-as-g-med-by-my-fr).

After the third session of the one-shot (yes), I'm starting to realize some bigger mismatches in my expectations (you know, bigger that just dice rolls or number of sessions in a one-shot). And they seem more about the GM and the GMing culture than just the game.


MorganH
@MorganH

I've both run and played in games that were wholly the GM's design: over-arching plot, world, lore, characters, everything was of mine or their creation, and these are often the ones that landed the best and had the best response from the players. There's truly nothing like playing a campaign over a long period of time and feel like not only are you fully engaged with this secondary world, it's a world that only exists in the imaginations of you and your friends -- the social power of that is amazing, and it has a unique flavor when players are the receivers of the world from the GM.

The obvious problem with this mode as shown in the original post is that new GMs or GMs who have fallen into some bad habits can feel lost or overwhelmed, alternately desperate to maintain authorial control and therefore frustrated with the players, and disappointed in themselves for being unable to execute the concepts that live so fully in their imaginations.

My perhaps unpopular opinion is that this is totally fine. If the role of the GM is as an auteur, then GMing a game like the one described above is an art form. And art takes practice! There's no form of art that can be picked up and mastered immediately, and GMing is especially difficult, in that it trains not just writing, but also drama and performance, and acting -- a whole suite of skills, among others!

My first times GMing games makes me cringe down into my soul, but that's okay! The whole point of art is that you get better at it the more you practice, and the fortunate thing is that you practice by playing a game with your friends. Does a session suck sometimes? Sure, but probably no more frequently in classically-GMed games than in non-GM'd games.

I guess my point is that the "GM culture" -- that expects the GM to be author and interlocutor of an entire world -- is oftentimes troubling when assumed to be the default. But if everyone intentionally buys in to the idea that being an authorial GM and a player in that type of game is its own craft that needs practice, then you can really get some magic at the table.

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georges
@georges

Damn that is a good counterpoint.

I'm wondering how "GM as author" can be supported by game design. A lot of more recent games contain tech that makes the GM life much easier, like how some moves in Apocalypse World enable the players to ask stuff like "where’s my best escape route / way in / way past?", which helps with the information flow. Or even distributes jobs that are traditionally the GM's. But Apocalypse World's motto is to play to find out (the opposite of having an author), and a lot of distributing responsibility also comes with distributing narrative control.

So, are there some recent things in game design that empowers the GM as author paradigm?


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in reply to @georges's post:

If she's comparing herself to Baldur's Gate, it might be less "I have to carry everything" as a mentality and more that the past decade of how D&D has been positioned in culture creates an assumption that playing D&D has to be more than it actually is. There's a lot of folks - GMs and Players - who assume D&D is going to be like Baldur's Gate or the recent film or high-budget actual play shows, and when their own games don't mimic those experiences they wonder if something is going wrong. And if something is going wrong, they wonder if it's their fault.

It isn't, but it's hard to shake that doubt.

Past decade is underselling it. "The GM does all the work" has been the standard not just for D&D, but for things like Shadowrun and maybe World of Darkness (it's been 15 years since I flipped through the old world of darkness stuff so I can't remember), since inception. Collaborative Storytelling is relatively new in the space at the scale it's currently at.

Actual Play like Critical Role hasn't helped people's perceptions either. They see these professionals and go "oH I need to do THAT."

It's part of the reason why it's been so hard to find people to run games for so long. It's been made out to be a thankless job full of work for decades

The interesting part of this, to me, is that "oh, no, I made bad art" feels like simultaneously like a painful realization and a scam to get people to pay for streaming subscriptions or something. It's a shame that there's no easy way, because people get weirdly defensive about this when someone brings it up, to shift this sentiment to "no, it's good that you took the time out to make art and that you see where you could improve it"...