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Inumo
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Honestly there are times I wonder how many people who talk about/make magical girl media (at least in the US) have like… actually engaged with modern magical girl media at all? Like, I've talked before about how Girl by Moonlight doesn't really feel that magical girl-y, and the staples of magical girl conversations seem to largely be Sailor Moon (1992–7), Puella Magi Madoka Magica (2011), or maybe Revolutionary Girl Utena (1997) if you're talking with queer folks. That's all media that's 1–3 decades old! Meanwhile people may describe Steven Universe (2013–9) or She-Ra and the Princesses of Power (2018–20) as "magical girl," but it doesn't feel like anyone's putting them in dialog with e.g. the PreCure formula or Revue Starlight (2018).

I could make some armchair anthropologic guesses that it has something to do with how PreCure (as the dominant magical girl force today & representative of the genre at large) is also extremely normative about specifically Japanese culture, maybe also something about the US vs Japanese animation/TV industries? There's also probably something in the mix about how magical girl tropes got "Americanized" to support already-existing storytelling in US animation/writing, e.g. being incorporated into superhero stories w/ the Ben 10 franchise (spanning 2005–21) or giving My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic (2010–9) storylines a more magical/supernatural flair. No need to create "pure" magical girl if you can pull the vibes into something familiar, right?

*shrug* Something I keep circling on as I work on Sealed Pacts & watch magical girl anime as part of media research.


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in reply to @Inumo's post:

my partner and i have been doing a sort of weird anime watching activity where we watch the first episode of animes, picked at random from the list of those available on streaming services we have access to. as a result, i've started to form a really wide but shallow impression of the state of anime available to English language audiences in the US right now. i've seen fairly few strictly magical girl genre anime- of the shows with femme main protagonists, the majority were either A. gacha game tie-ins with the characters being sort of mecha girls or strangely powered but not exactly magical girls, or B. idol animes, sometimes with a gacha tie-in or virtual idol franchise tie-in. insofar as anime is connected with magical girl stuff, i wonder if a lot of that cultural space that was once occupied by magical girl stuff has been taken up by these other genres.

There's some of that, idol shows like Waccha PriMage are targeted at similar young girl audiences like classical magical girl shows were. But if we're looking at English availability, there's kind of a gap in general for kids shows (unless it's like, Pokemon). Precure getting official subs in the last few years is a pretty notable exception.

One of the things which colluded to halt work on Vigil (my personal Magical Girl Opus) was that... well, it became increasingly obvious that outside of myself and my partner, there just weren't that many people in my sphere of contact who were interested in "magical girl" (or henshin hero) beyond "yeah, I remember sailor moon as a kid!" and aesthetics. I spent more time in pitches and limited playtest trying to communicate why players shouldn't just try to create Spider-Man and the Justice League or try to force Batman into the game, explaining the core touchstones
(admittedly: some of this is my fault, the idea behind the setting is "we know what happens when the magical girls win in the end, that's how the story goes, what about when things don't go that way? What if at the last moment, in the end, when you'd lost and your team was gone, you were offered a second chance by someone who said they needed your help for something bigger?" and was working through trauma and survivors' guilt and more through a magical girl lens...)

but just... your premise of "most magical girl fans don't actually engage with the wider genre past selected touchstones (some of which are unrelated but for aesthetics, a la "steven universe has transformation sequences")" holds a lot of water for me.

Yeah, and like, I'm not gonna act like I'm a huge exception; I started work on Sealed Pacts knowing only magical girl aesthetics via cultural osmosis. Getting into the genre proper has been (as stated) media research. Makes me think it might be worth having some essays talking about magical girl in the back of the book or something, explaining tropes/structure & why I and others care about the genre.

It absolutely would; I've got my own essay on why I believe magical girl and henshin hero settings thematically coexist and how their themes support each other from different perspectives which will either make it onto here someday, or into the Vigil book if it's revisited, and so I totally support that move.

Might be something about how crossover appeal works get extra momentum and visibility due to what they're doing that's putting things in new combinations, without drawing audiences to their "origin" genre where people would get an idea of what that source material is really like. hmmmmm