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smuonsneutrino
@smuonsneutrino

People are pretty caught up at approximately any given moment about some fucked up thing happening in the US/on behalf of the US government that people forget that we do, in fact, have a bunch of cultural/political things that are cool and good and rare/uniqe. Furthermore, lots of critiques of American culture are made by Europeans who are entirely too high on their own supply. My contrarianism is in full go mode right now so I'm going to chost about how The US Is Cool And Europeans Have No Right To Throw Stones, because I'm tired of Americans being doomers and I'm tired of Europeans being smug.


yrgirlkv
@yrgirlkv

Our music rules and you can't fucking deny it. (And white americans, I swear to fucking god, if you were having some thought like "oh well that's mostly Black music, not Americans in general", please play that back in your head until you can internalize that Black Americans are Americans, and contribute to broader American culture. We're not some separate group)

i actually wanna get at this because i've seen it play out before online, where there's a certain type of leftism that has tightly committed itself to a unilateral distaste for everything american but at the same time recognizes that it's kind of racist to bring that distaste to black american culture. so instead the compromise they strike is "black americans aren't really american, they're their own thing that happens to be in america due to historical injustice."

and look: yeah, that second thing is true, but that doesn't change the fact that black americans are like. human beings with the same capabilities as anyone else. black folks are equally well-equipped to understand and grapple with whatever moral responsibilities american identity puts on their shoulders, the same as the rest of us. you are not doing them a favor by saying "well i hate your country's culture and national identity but you're a minority so you're one of the good ones," you're just condescending to them. trying to relieve a minority group of the moral responsibility you levy on the majority is dehumanizing act, not a progressive one!

i am generally of the opinion that much of what people say is a product of american culture has more to do with american politics and economics—that the worst of our imperial violence has less to do with the flag and the constitution and notions of freedom and more to do with our bottom line. i think that's supported by the fact that plenty of other countries are happy to deploy the same imperial tactics we do on smaller scales and in places most people are unfamiliar with. you are welcome to disagree; america is unique in many ways. but it is not your burden to carve out special exceptions for black americans when doing so. personhood, humanity, social existence—whatever name you use for it, we generally accept that to be in this world is to accept a certain level of moral responsibility. if responsibility for a nation's mistakes lie on its people, then denying black americans that responsibility denies them their humanity; it is the furthest thing in the world from respect.


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in reply to @smuonsneutrino's post:

I'm glad I gave this post a fair shake. You're right, there are things about America that I actually do like quite a bit. It's too easy to take them for granted, or to minimize them to avoid looking like you're shilling for the status quo.

Thanks for mentioning the antisemitism problem over there! It's scary how ubiquitous it seems. We might end up moving to Europe for work and the list of countries we'd feel safe in, much less thrive and be able to practice our faith in, is uh a pretty short list haha. In a growing number of EU countries some of our practices are just outright outlawed :1

It's easy to take it for granted how much safer the states are, hopefully we all can push back against any change to that part of our country

As a French immigrant, every time I go back to visit France, the number 1 thing I miss is (good) Mexican or Indian food. That shit is basically impossible to get outside of the big cities (which is a problem because there's maybe 15 of them total in all the country).

(And yeah, French people shouldn't also act smug about racism waves at islamophobia there lol)

If I wanted people to re-learn that patriotism can simply be appreciating what your country does right (without stopping calling out what's fucked up) instead of MY COUNTRY RIGHT OR WRONG and whoring yourself in symbols... I'd point them to this post first. That is exactly how much I appreciate it because I agree with every-goddamn-fucking-word in it. That's such a healthier approach I have hope again we can reclaim this damn concept.

I mean, from an online American perspective it feels like a bunch of people snarking about the US at you and only identifying themselves as "European" much of the time. The Europeans tend to stand together in snarking on the US (and hold similar stereotypes abt us). Meanwhile because it's like 50 countries, there isn't time to defend ourselves from the snark one by one.

My experience as an American who moved to Sweden is that many people here actually have a rosier picture of the US than I do. Many people don't understand why I would want to live elsewhere, and the US is kind of seen as something to aspire to. People know the problems, and often a weird distorted view of them, but don't really understand how bad they are.

Like, some of the stuff in this post is true, especially the racism, but this picture of "smug Europeans" doesn't resonate with me at all.

I don't know specifically where this post comes from, but it feels like it's in conversation with maybe an internet phenomenon rather than something more solid.

You're right that this is very much about my experience of "online" Europeans & Americans who have internalized very weird ideas about Europe from them. (After all, online is how most American-European contact happens nowadays.) In many spaces (most notably IME on Twitter, Bsky, Reddit, and the absolute Hell World that is Left-ish or Leftist Facebook Groups) it is very easy to end up in a conversation with people talking shit about America/Americans as if the air is made of bullets and everyone has $10000000 of government-mandated medical debt. I absolutely do see people get bullied for being American and I see other Americans join in on the doom.

"America is a 3rd world country" is a super, super common refrain, and Americans who have internalized this "Europe is superior look at what this European said about it" mentality are also extremely common. Related and also common ideas are,"Americans have no culture", "America doesn't have anything the rest of the world doesn't", "Your healthcare system is a mess and you all only speak one language so you don't get to have an opinion about politics" (that last one is oddly specific but I have genuinely seen it come up in multiple completely unrelated communities). (And yeah, a lot of these sentences are just factually wrong & stupid & problematic in their own right.)

Friends of mine who either are European or have lived in Europe (mostly Italy, France, Poland, Russia, and the UK) have said this sort of thing is fairly common irl as well though (esp. Fraice and the UK). My sample for the Nordics is pretty low, so it might be less common there?