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JhoiraArtificer
@JhoiraArtificer

we all know that the idea that queerness is modern is absolute nonsense, but check out this Renaissance play:

One of the first English plays to duplicate cross-gender disguise was Lyly's Gallathea (1583-85), performed by the Children of Paul's at court and probably in their own private playhouse. The idea for duplication was evidently Lyly's, for in his source (the tale of Iphis and Ianthe in book IX of Ovid's Metamorphoses), only one girl is raised as a boy, and she is transformed into a male in order to marry the other. Lyly has both girls, Phillida and Gallathea, disguised as boys and then makes them fall in love with each other but leaves open the question of which one Venus will change into a boy.

This uncertainty preserves the symmetrical balance between the two heroines, symmetry being as central a feature of Lyly's dramaturgy as euphuism is of his prose style. In parallel scenes, Lyly shows that each girl has been disguised as a boy by her father so that she will not be taken as "the fairest and chastest virgine in all the Countrey" (I.i.42-43), who must be sacrificed to Neptune. At the beginning of act II, Lyly brings the two disguised heroines together. From this point, they are always onstage at the same time and usually speak and act as mirror images of one another. Each girl has fallen in love with the boy that the other pretends to be and so feels trapped within her own cross-gender disguise. In their second meeting, each one hints at her true gender, and they do so with such success that they suspect each other of being a girl in male disguise.

we simply love ??lesbians?? performed by boys playing girls playing boys, one of whom ends up playing girl-transformed-into-boy

(quote from Gender in Play on the Shakespearean Stage: Boy Heroines and Female Pages by Michael Shapiro)



foxjar
@foxjar

There's been discussion in the comments of recent staff posts on Pillowfort about how the site needs to appeal to the users who left the site, and those who never signed up in the first place. Which I thought was an interesting topic!

Are there aspects of Cohost you like that Pillowfort doesn't have? Issues Pillowfort has had that have turned you away? Or do you perhaps use both Cohost and Pillowfort for your fannish needs, whether that be sharing content or browsing?

If you know of any discussions about this, whether here on Cohost or elsewhere, I would be really interested to see them!


Goudeneeuw
@Goudeneeuw
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Sententiola
@Sententiola

I'm using both at the moment, on a see-what-happens sort of basis.

The interfaces and features each have positive and negative points for me. I prefer Pillowfort's colour-scheme. I like the way the left-hand menu bar stays on screen as you scroll and the fact that you can format multi-image posts more flexibly by just dragging images around without needing to code the formatting yourself. Other than those points the Cohost interface mostly looks and feels nicer and easier, especially the tagging interface, and I like the way content warnings work here.

I'm ambivalent about the role of HMTL and CSS here. In principle it's great that people have more control over their posts and can do more things with them, and I like some of the sutff people do with that. On the other hand I don't know CSS and my HTML is very basic and rusty so it sometimes feels like there are fairly simple things that on another site the user interface would help me do but here it's just a case of 'if you can't code it yourself then you can't do it'. I also find that, while the site itself displays nicely on my smallish laptop screen set to Everything Big Please resolution, people sometimes use CSS in a way that makes their posts too big to fit on my screen. Which I don't hold against the site or the users who do it, it's just a thing.

I've found it a lot easier and quicker to find people whose accounts I want to follow here than I have on Pillowfort. Possibly part of that is the nice simple mechanism Cohost has of inviting you to make an introduction post and give it a specific tag, so it's easy to browse the tag and see who's arriving. On Pillowfort there are various different ways and places for people to introduce themselves but finding them is a bit of a faff. But mainly there just seem to be more people here who are closer to being My Kind Of People. Pillowfort feels full of very young people and very fannish people. Here there seem to be more older folks (though still mostly not as old as me 😄), more people who seem to have broader interests, more people who seem to have good politics (but don't feel the need to constantly demonstrate it), more people who seem to have lives offline as well as online. One point where Pillowfort does better is that it seems to be slightly less dominated by people from North America, but that may just be because Cohost is newer and hasn't had a chance to spread as far from its point of origin.

The atmosphere here seems more casual and friendly. Maybe because the first 'wave' of users here were mostly people who already knew each other or moved in overlapping social circles that already existed outside the site, so it feels like a place of friends, where Pillowfort feels more like a place of strangers who are looking for friends. It also probably helped that I found a couple of people on here that I already knew from elsewhere (hi satah and Cat!). And maybe the greater emphasis on low-effort posting and short throw-away posts here makes it feel like the stakes are lower. Whatever the reason, I find myself slightly less shy about commenting on strangers' posts here than on Pillowfort.

A big thing Pillowfort has that Cohost hasn't got is 'communities', but for me that isn't a particularly important difference because communities are good for pursuing and sharing specific topics of interest and I don't really use social media for that – I tend to want to find people whose vibe I enjoy and then see whatever they happen to post or share, rather than seeking out posts about specific topics.

A final thought: I find it a bit amusing / bemusing how Cohost and Pillowfort are so similar to each other and yet most people on Cohost seem to think of Cohost as an alternative to Twitter (or to a lesser extent Mastodon) while most people on Pillowfort seem to think of Pillowfort as an alternative to Tumblr. I guess it's just for historical reasons to do with which platform people were mostly leaving at different times. I haven't used either Twitter or Tumblr for years (and I've never used Mastodon) so, for me, both Pillowfort and Cohost are mainly competing against Just Not Using Social Media At All. And potentially, in the longer term, against each other.

Oh I forgot to mention Eggbug! Eggbug is cool.