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in reply to @soleilraine's post:
Hearing about this supposed debacle reminds me of when I'd go out to the playground to play wallball during recess as a kid. Each court would be playing with their own rule-set; one-handed hits or two-handed hits, allowing the ball to still be in play if it hits the corner where the wall meets the floor, or even "pop-ups" to sort of dribble the ball and setup a next move. Naturally different default meta-rule-sets kinda just took hold within each court clique.
Nowadays, I guess we're just the same kids, but on a bigger playground. I'm sure whoever invented wallball has parallels with Game Freak/TPC over all the funny little challenges and rules their players are running with.
This seems to have been in response to my off-the-hip chost, and I don't want to try and inflame anything, but I do feel you're taking a very negative tone off what I had to say.
It's a game made out of another game. That's neat!
I did definitely read your post as more negative than you perhaps intended, but if it wasn’t intended to be, then my apologies! I also should specify because I got kinda heated at the end - I didn't want to direct any of this at you at all, hence why I made my own post instead of a reply. I was afraid it would come off as combative as a reply, especially when I largely agree with everything you said. It’s just more just that your post helped me crystallize some things in my head I’ve been swirling around. Any heat in this post is purely written at the jackasses who actively laugh at it because dear god I am so tired.
It was basically a draft, and it's okay!
A thing that comes up in these conversations around these games is how any commentary or critique can be seen not as that, but as a sort of socially unacceptable attack. It comes up when I talk about Smash Bros, too, where merely reporting on things that are true in the game are treated as inherently attacking them.
It's like, there's an illegitimacy to any criticism that doesn't pre-accept the fundamental good of the game, and that's weird! Like, if it's a game, if it's meant to be taken seriously, shouldn't it be okay to criticise and commentate on it? And with that comes the arched-back, defensive 'well who are you to say it?'
And like... I work for a uni, about making games. Not knowing about Smogon and Smash would be pretty silly on my part.
No, I actually think you're right, and I kinda regret writing this now, because you make an excellent point with this. I'm very sorry for my response, you're totally correct.
i never know if i'm being overly dramatic to say this but i've always felt like the insistence that everyone has to play games "how the developers "intended"" is... pointlessly authoritarian?
(and that's without getting into the idea that i think most people would agree that game freak has made some serious mistakes, an idea which some people hold right up until they imagine a Gamer who Might Like Their Own Ideas Better Than Pokemon Company's and then it's suddenly "oh you think you know better than Game Freak? the perfect company that has done no wrong??")
This is great/super interesting as someone totally outside Smogon. I wonder if some of the derision is because it lives near the “this children’s game is too easy for adults” complaint that’s been popular online of late.
That obviously has nothing to do with Smogon, really; if anything Smogon is a solution! Making your own stuff and community rather than relying on corporations to cater to you? What a concept!
But I know I’d initially heard of Smogon and (unfairly) connected it to that complaint so part of it might be the great Flattening Of Nuance that the internet loves to do.