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CyanSorcery
@CyanSorcery

🦊currently finding out that apparently most furries see their fursonas as like, a fun costume for roleplay and stuff because they think anthro characters are cute and not like, "I wish that was actually me I wish I had big pointy fox teeth and paws and claws and tail and pointy ears" like, do you guys NOT want to actually just be an animal??? I thought that was just an inherent part of being furry

EDIT TO ADD: people are saying "This is just being therian" and we're like, haha whoops yea that's why were asking, because I guess a lot of furries are fine being a human and just having the fursona as an avatar used to talk to other funny animal appreciators but uh, that's uh, not us


ShugoWah
@ShugoWah

had this same experience, and the same disappointment and disconnect, and then realized my whole shit is way more ΘΔ-adjacent


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in reply to @CyanSorcery's post:

oh yeah there’s a group that does actually real, academic research on this (they visit cons to survey real attendees and hang out and have some membership intersection with actual furries, afaict they seem legit)

i think this bit is interesting because like, it breaks through some confusion in the past polling about therians (a lot of people didn’t know what the term meant) and gets past “do you believe you aren’t human!” and “do you literally want to be an animal?” (which aren’t true for the majority of people as you said!) and hits “do you wish you could be something other than 100% human?” and they got a lot of hits with that one

https://furscience.com/research-findings/therians/7-1-prevalence/

🦊that whole thing about 80% wanting to be something besides 100% human really gets me yea, but it's also really interesting to see that a lot of them are just like "oh yea I'm not therian" but some of them apparently went "oh, actually I am therian" after finding out from the test

RIGHT??? its so strange... i really really can't relate to not wanting to be your sona, or even not having a fursona or animal picture as your profile pic

or even like, having a webcam on and showing your face, like, i don't want to acknowledge my human face! don't perceive me! i'm a doggy!

in reply to @ShugoWah's post:

You know, this is actually an open question in the research psychology literature about furries and has been a question since its establishment in the late 2000's. During the groundbreaking "Furries from A to Z" study Gerbasi Et. Al. did in I think 2007, they found that roughly half of participants at a major furry convention said yes to "feeling 100% human", but also said yes to "wanting to be less than 100% human". The more Therian-like endorsement of "feeling less than 100% human" / "wanting to become less than 100% human" double-hit was in a minority.

That finding suggested an interesting distinction, and I think it's a perfectly good starting point for where "normal furries" and Therians differ. Me personally, I identify with animal bodies but not animal psychology and don't find it to be a spiritual component and rather more of self-actualization. It's an active choice, to me, to openly endorse what I want; my understanding is Therians tend to feel more alignment along that spiritual axis of destiny or trial of the soul, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Way back in 2007, Gerbasi modeled a proposed mechanism for 'species identity disorder' which swiftly did not survive follow-up study or scrutiny. A sociologist, Gerbasi was simply following the template for the DSM-IV-TR's Transgender Identity Disorder, which has since been revised into Gender Dysphoria as of DSM-5. Increasingly, we're coming to an understanding in the Clinical Psychology field that the diverse spiritual beliefs people have aren't reflective of abnormalities in psychology, but rather differences in perspective and experience and how we communicate them.

But in the fandom there is that stigma affiliated with Therianism from the era of toxic rejection of the belief that persists, and you'll see it even in relatively 'normal' people from many backgrounds both in and outside of the fandom. Imagined selves are much more important to those of us with neurodiversity in the first place, so especially for people who are closer to neurotypicality in the fandom, I can see there being the element of Tactile Realism that makes them not consider zoomorphic identity as a goal.

Some people will dismiss things they have eliminated as possibilities for themselves, or simply hadn't considered that the experience is worth the thought. See that a lot in queer fans of mine from conservative backgrounds who are genuinely scared of engaging with their own transgender identity because they "could never make it work", which is a fair fear and I vibe there. It is disappointing when people aren't aligned on the zoomorphism vibe though, so feel you there too. Long ramble, as usual for me.