i can't go to hell - i'm all out of vacation days. i watch space rocks and yell at computers for my day job. probably too old for any of this

 

i think i might be burned out on internet social. it's hard to keep doing it. it's hard to even maintain the amount of attention i'm already giving it

 

i am the cause of most of my own problems

 

furthermore, capitalism must be destroyed

 

birdsona: ?????

 

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So I want to preface that this isn't about twitter or any one social media network in specific. It definitely isn't about cohost, a place I've only been on for about a day and that just seems to be a place wherem'st posts, with no ambition about being the next big mainstream thing.

I also think it's worth mentioning that I have a very hard time with Social™. Too much of it all at once gets overwhelming. I cap out on twitter at somewhere just a little over a hundred follows or so, which, I gather, is pretty low compared to most people.

But a thought I keep having is that I haven't really seen a social site ever try to do anything that even remotely mimics actual human social behaviour. If you think about it for a second, it's actually a really weird and unnatural construct to have an absolutely flat binarymodel of social relationships, where you're either following someone and see absolutely everything they post or share, or you're not, and you don't.

In offline space, we have a more continuous gradient of familiarity - from close friends and/or family (question mark?) that you share almost everything with to coworkers or acquaintances you might have some interesting things in common with, to people you only know through things they produce or do, and have a more transactional than personal relationship with.

I think it's a little weird and strange and often overwhelming when we model all of those different types of relationships under the model of following or not following, where you're either drinking from the firehose of absolutely every item everyone posts or shares, always, forever.

Algorithms don't solve this because they fundamentally don't understand human models of social closeness and besides, are almost always designed to keep you glued to your feeds and maximize engagement which is the opposite of what we want. They're fundamentally not under your control which undermines the entire premise of being able to define your own social boundaries.

I don't think I really have an answer for any of this. It's just something looping through my meat brain a lot that I don't think I've ever seen a good answer to.

addendum:

I think this is in no small part rooted in the poisoned idea that more is always better, and that number to up is always a good thing. More followers, more reach, more interactions. It's not great.


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in reply to @SomeEgrets's post:

there's an eternal "simpsons did it" concept in social media, which is "livejournal solved this in 1999." it's been a while so I may have the details wrong, but as I recall you could post to followers, or to a subset of followers, and I think you could filter someone elses posts in some way. this is a great starting point - i think twitter tried to ape it with circles, too little/too late and probably broken to boot. didn't check.

what I've never seen, and always wanted, was the ability to offer channels to followers. when you click Follow on someone you should see a set of tags you can subscribe to, and they can define which will be selected by default (e.g. "casual, gamedev, art" on, "family, cooking, serious" off) and also define channels that won't be visible unless a mutual relationship exists, or unless explicitly offered.

so in your notifications you might see e.g. "@ name followed you back - new channels available" or "new channels available for @ name", but it would always be in your control, and if you don't really know someone, you just take the default set.

this would primarily apply to your "main feed," but you would still be able to go to someone's profile and see all their posts. conversely, you'd be able to block an entire tag from a specific individual. you love @ name but just can't stand their constant DDR scoreposts? problem solved (as long as everyone plays ball and uses the tags correctly; there are many ways to streamline this so it's not effortful.)

Yeah it's been so long since LJ, I absolutely don't remember those details either.

I think I know maybe one person on twitter who has circles. Or maybe more do and they just don't know/care? Impossible to tell with AB testing. Seems poorly communicated anyway.

I wish I had more answers, but I just make the parts of computers nobody ever sees go, never deployed a successful site and I sometimes think I've been using these infernal machines for too long to relate to the way not Very Computer People™ process these things.

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