Someone figured out why he cut into the sub-floor/joists: he wants to make a mold-ridden rock garden around the tub recessed into the floor.
Can't have a thread on SA without a cat hanging out in the dilapidated bathroom.
At some point he removed the drywall so he could fix some "plumbing issues" and to get it inspected. Here's the damage thus far.
Finally we get a response on how much it'll cost to fix his blunder. $5,500.
Repair floor joist (ball park number may need to revise after architect and inspector give recommendations) - $5500
It's an extensive list of repair work needing to be done. How this is being done for $5,500 is beyond me but I am not a contractor.
Here's a list of items the contractor will be tackling for the curious
- Engineering of the joists
- Repair/replace joists
- Redo tub plumbing (necessary after joist repair)
- Fix vanity plumbing
- Install new backer and tile vanity wall
- Fix any problems with the new shower wall
- Bathtub faucet plumbing
- Bathtub subfloor install and tiling
- Shower drain plumbing
- Shower benches/threshold framing
- Remove old electrical/lighting from shower area
- All shower fixture plumbing
- Shower pan build and hot mop
- Run old jacuzzi wiring to new location for heated floor/outlets
- Install steam shower
- Install backer and tile in shower/ceiling
- Install shower lights
- Frameless shower glass install
- Remove the old shower wall (partial - engineer to check)
- Cap off old shower plumbing
- Install floor heating element
- Install floor tile
- Demo as needed
- Passing all inspections
Definitely an above-board engineer.
So the engineer just left. Guy totally reminded me of the bookstore owner from The Neverending Story. Old, very soft spoken. Initially seemed taken aback a bit by the situation but not outwardly so. He took measurements of my entire house and said he can make it work but he did seem a bit concerned about having the inspector see the joists, so he recommended fixing it (but still leaving my 2" inch drop) and covering it up before the inspector comes over as he thinks it would raise a lot of red flags. But either way, it sounded like he was just going to sister in some 4x10's next to the joists and leave the old ones in place.
Unsure if he is being serious [with this post].
Since | have some time before I'll ever get to the point of actually installing my bathtub, I put together a mock mold garden to see how well it grows in my bathroom. I splashed it with a bit of water and will let it fester for a while. Will update as spores progress.
Now for the final part. The part I had been dying to post about.
There's a good chance | would have not compromised my floor joists knowing what | know now. But the damage has been done and the cost to fix it is essentially the same as it is to continue with my original plan. I may not use my tub much, but | also don't remodel things as a bachelor. My closet was designed with a woman in mind despite not being married. Likewise, my bathroom is designed with a woman in mind. It will have a powder room that will be completely useless to me, but is the kind of thing a woman would look at and say, OMG I want this. In the same vein, if a woman sees a nice inviting looking bathtub they are going to swoon. And since woman play an unfair role in the home-buying process, a woman who falls in love with my bathroom is going to help me sell my home (someday). You may not like the design, but I assure the finished product will exceed your expectations.
Yup. He's a sexist pig and is designing this bathroom with some magical woman in mind. He is also not married so "load-bearing spouse" does not apply.
[Now he's] doubling down.
You don't know many women, do you?
Enough to know which parts of the bathroom they like.
[And continuing to do so.]
I'm not sure how much a woman will enjoy an oppressively masculine dark black-and-red bathroom with minimal natural lighting tbh. That bathroom is going to be very dark. I know I'd take a pass or come in with a lower offer than I'd make on the "builder's grade" bathroom.
I guess I should also note that the design has changed a bit from the original; The red wall is going away. But yes, it will be somewhat dark. But that will be offset a bit by a lot of lighting.
He replies to me assuming that I was at the time not married ([I am now divorced]).
Apparently you've never bought a house with a wife? Under most circumstances the wife makes the final say on whether or not a couple buys a home. I've heard this from the many real estate agents I've worked with in the past that assure me this is most often the case.
My ex-spouse has since then bought a nice place and I doubt will cut her floor joists in an attempt to make her bathroom better.
A woman opines and he responds.
Since you took the time to respond constructively, I'll do the same.
I'd like to keep as much natural light as possible, but relocating the shower forced me to block one of the windows. That being said, there are still two very large windows in the bathroom which is without question more than your average bathroom has, including the large master bathroom I had in my previous home.
The tub will be in the exact same location it was prior to the remodel. If anyone awkwardly placed it, its the original home builders. That being said, I don't feel its out of place. It will be in a corner and under a window, which is where most tubs reside. As for the tub storage, the notch in the wall is not tiny, but it is also not a bookshelf. Most modern designs don't have a lot of clutter, and my design doesn't allow for a lot of clutter on purpose.
The shower is cavernous. I'm not sure if you've used a large shower before but I had a multi-head large shower in my previous bathroom and it didn't get cold. Unless you're shaving, chances are you will still be under some part of the water stream which will keep you warm. Additionally my design has floor to ceiling glass which will trap in heat (while still having a vent so as not to make a mildew pit). There are two notches in the shower, opposite the shower heads, to hold shampoo and soaps for storage, and two perfectly good benches to store excess items on if needed. There will be a hand shower installed as well (this is hard to add in a 3d render with my skill level). Also there should be no problems standing out of the water whilst shaving with the amount of space in the shower (and various faucet controls).
The vanity tops don't allow for a lot of storage on top, but there will be some, including the middle section. There are storage cabinets and drawers under the sinks which will provide a fair amount of storage. There is an additional vanity that will be large and dedicated for makeup with a large mirror, ample storage and plenty of light, counter space and outlets. This is not shown in my 3d rendering but will be inside of the bathroom taking the place of the old shower.
There is no dedicated robe storage but with the closet being right next to the shower door it would be easy to store them inside the closet. It would also be pretty easy to add some robe hooks in the bathroom if I decide to go that route. There will be towel shelves as part of the design (again not shown in the 3d render).
I think he's single for a reason, everyone.
I do. That's because the marriages i'm in close relation to are more depressing than happy. I have a good life and maybe some day I'll get married, but I'm certainly not in a rush.
Nothing he said was sexist. His broad-ranging opinion about bathrooms is not a sexist remark at all.
There was nothing sexist about what I wrote and I'm certainly not trying to be sexist. Had I wrote, "You've obviously never used a large shower", sure. I can't assume you've used a large shower before, so saying, "I'm not sure if you have” seems fair to me. But lets not split hairs about that. I had one in my previous bathroom and I was simply commenting on my personal experience.
Okay. Thread is over [he says].
K, i'm done, this is getting way too goony.
Just kidding. He has to get the last word in.
This is probably a mistake but whatever. It seems we have all calmed down a bit, myself included.
I'd like to say some things now. In a forum. On the internet.
- I said some things that sounded sexist. It was not my intention to sound this way. I don't consider myself to be sexist and I'll refrain from claiming I know everything women want in life. I may not be married, and while my personal relationships are of little relevance, i'm not disconnected from the female sex. Although, as mentioned by someone else, this forum is hardly representative of the average female. That being said, I still stand by my statement that women make home buying decisions (not unfairly, just factly).
[...]
- And what's with the job bashing? I mean, I assume no matter what job title I provided I would have gotten the same, "Oh that explains it. He's employed as X. No wonder he's such a fuckup!" Are Sales Engineers really that notoriously bad? Really its my job to keep sales people from saying things that aren't true and showing people how stuff works. It was not an easy job to get and not one that they hand to anyone with a high-school diploma. I do actually have to know a lot of stuff to do my job. But sales is sales, and I'm the last person that would call myself a "salesperson", but I don't know why we are just automatically bad people altogether.
Anyway that's all I can think of for now. Please be nice to me, I'm not better than anyone here, I just like different things.
Also I have nothing to report. Still waiting for engineering plans. Hoping to hear back on that next week.
We're still dogpiling him for being a sexist pig.
Please dont drag me back into a "sexist rant", but the whole picking apart what I said is exactly this. think (I HOPE) its clear to everyone that I'm being sincere and not trying to insult anyone. I think it’s pretty clear i'm not referring to animals when I say female, it's semantics.
I was merely posting facts that women have a voice in the home buying process. But you're right, lets drop it. Please.
Lmao, Olive Garden! So lolz! Also, not even close.
He still hasn't learnt [and replied as expected to a woman].
Do not fucking call women "females" you fucking asshole. If your defense against being told your behavior is sexist is "don't criticize me or I'll get even more sexist!" you are fucking trash and I hope your electrified bedframe burns your chinstrap off.
You are the worst kind of female.
Its fucking semantics, get over it.
He was promptly probated for this response to me and never replied to the thread again. It went on forever after this but yeah.
Explains why at your late 30s you are single.
It really doesn't actually. There are far better reasons. But bitching about minor details makes you a cranky nag. My message and intentions were clear. There was no need to rip it apart because someone feels violated over a subtly different word.
Real question: Has any man in this thread ever been upset by being called a male? If more than three people say yes I'll stop saying female.
(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
The next part will be the last and will have the big reveal for why this is called "Doom Bathroom! This part was long so thanks for reading this far!
