Westor Lowhang

@WestorAD

25/NSFW/ Hyper enthusiast kobold

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The horny ramblings of a kobold

Westor Lowhang @WestorAD6/13/2023, 8:08 PM

Luisf @Loosf

Johnnemann @johnnemann6/13/2023, 10:07 AM

I'm sorry

But I want to post this article on here for Reasons

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/culture/23733213/fandom-purity-culture-what-is-proship-antiship-antifandom

Johnnemann @johnnemann6/13/2023, 10:11 AM

#discourse

Shel @shel6/13/2023, 4:18 PM

We need to bring back the "cringe" sex positivity of Scarleteen Magazine and Oh Joy Sex Toy. We need to bring back floral banners that say "pee after sex" and "consent is sexy." The 2014 Internet had it right all along. There's nothing gross or wrong about bodies. The problems to be concerned about are power dynamics not the existence of sex in the public discourse.

Luisf @Loosf6/13/2023, 5:05 PM

The whole concept of "cringe" is thinly veiled "caring about something means you are a loser"

"How dare you not be a jaded piece of shit who hides their vulnerability behind 20 layers of irony, by the way, caring about others is cringe"

Westor Lowhang @WestorAD6/13/2023, 8:08 PM

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@secrets6/13/2023, 11:27 AM

Getting increasingly obnoxiously reminded of the makerspace I bought a bunch of computers for to establish a community classroom, and how they immediately instead moved to invite in the convicted chimo who'd been banned from the other nearby makerspace for using their computers to whack off to cp without his probation officer finding out, and how disappointed they were at how I wasn't sufficiently enthusiastic about being made an accessory to all that.

chaos gf @zip6/13/2023, 1:52 PM

kinda concerning that at that point it sounds like his probation officer still hadn't found out

@secrets6/13/2023, 3:31 PM

there were, and are, a number of ways in which having a bunch of heretofore normal-seeming people pop up insisting that this was all good and cool and anyone who objected to it was just being a cop was alarming! I did not stick around for the thrilling conclusion once it became apparent they were going to get their way at least until the PO did.

@SatelliteOfLove6/15/2023, 1:31 PM

fandoms are bad, brigading is bad, "countering" an article's merits with misused sociopolitical terms bad; etc etc

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~@modulusshift6/13/2023, 3:03 PM

Wow. I didn’t believe that antishipping was really exactly what it said on the tin but it sure is huh

Vulpes Absurda @Vulpes6/13/2023, 5:59 PM

It's wild how much harm this has all done in the name of fake ass protections for kids that the people behind these bills could not care less about. And it's also strange how the actual effects of this so often either aren't talked about, or are somehow turned into "The fact that this site has banned child porn is a hate crime" in various spaces as though there is no middle ground between those two. A state of being that I am sure the sex workers most effected by this love to have to deal with. And the end result to all this is how people end up in a state stuck thinking "uhhhh. Well guess I need to vote harder??? Be more horny on main??? Fuck I don't know!"

The Fru Fru Brigade~@Fru-Fru-Brigade7/3/2023, 12:21 PM

I mean, she’s not wrong.

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pupa 🌱@pupaphobic7/15/2023, 2:32 PM

Thank you. I remember seeing this article being tossed around a while back, and it's so fucking wild that people here equate "minors and young adults wanting some (maybe ill-advised) ability to moderate fandom spaces" with "Hateful Conservative Bullshit." Fandom-brained people sucks so much ass lol.

@luca7/22/2023, 2:09 AM

thanks for this reply i feel insane looking at this because it isnt based in any reality ive known on the internet. hate to see all this dumbass strawmanning about "antis" reach cohost

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Cliff 🦖 Pervocracy @pervocracy6/13/2023, 4:58 PM

shit it was so fun being a cringe sex-pos back then, i miss it

(oh joy sex toy has made some questionable choices but I think that concern always got seized upon by people who wanted to call out the problematic stuff for ten seconds and then spend the next hour making fun of cringe)

~@modulusshift6/13/2023, 5:26 PM

scarleteen was such a nice influence on me at a key point. I really needed to hear that "sex can happen for a ton of different reasons, it can be aromantic and yet sentimental, it can be a tender way to say goodbye just as validly as it can be a commitment for the long haul". the conservative mindset that "sex either belongs strictly in a heterosexual monogamous permanent relationship or it means nothing" had literally never been questioned around me. I could have been a very different person if I lived with that view for too long, even though in a practical sense it didn't affect any choices I made for myself for years.

FaeWife Era 🔞@lnc06/13/2023, 5:39 PM

You're so right for this, I think people mistake "I heard it already" for beliefs that have ingrained themselves into the public conscious and that's simply not true lol

dante, personally @dante6/14/2023, 5:25 AM

i regret making fun of OJST and i have gone back to recommending people read Ethical Slut (with a couple caveats, but whatever) and shit like that. i'm a retvrn guy for 2013 internet vibes

@locus6/14/2023, 5:38 AM

Having never yet read ES, what are the caveats for when I inevitably do?

dante, personally @dante6/14/2023, 5:42 AM

the main caveats are: It's been a while since I read it, so take any of my thoughts with a grain of salt, but it's a bit binary-essentialist (but very attempting-to-be-inclusive in a genuine way afaict), it's very informed by 90s feminism and probably has a couple biffs here and there.

HOWEVER i believe a Third Edition was released in 2017 that I haven't read but supposedly includes more inclusive language around gender, asexuality, and sex work so that's probably good! I have not read that one.

But yes, it was a very eye-opening book for me at the time and I still think of it fondly