Zarpaulus

Writer of sci-fi and horror

Underemployed biologist and creator of the Para-Imperium setting. Currently writing the webcomic "Joanna: Ghost Hunter."


Scampir
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folly
@folly asked:

what's a trope in fantasy settings that you don't like?

I think it's the uncritical gygaxian race stuff and the fantasy races of dwarf, elf, halfling, troll, ogre, orc, goblin etc. Some people on cohost have tried to rehabilitate it but so far there are lines that have not been backed down from and I am therefore not convinced. It's just this way that race works out that really conflicts with what I have read about race over the course of my education. So many people see it as a necessary component to an enjoyable medieval fantasy work and like I love a fantastic version of a person but I am so sour on the prospect of receiving various ethno-national communities as a natural formation of peoples and not like, the product of a political project. Or to have a kind of population level physical trait assume that people want to exploit that. Here are three things that adopting that trope doesn't account for:

  1. People don't agree with every ideal in their culture
  2. People may agree with values emphasized within their culture but actively act against them
  3. There is more variation within populations than between them.

And like, if an author wants to include these fantasy beings as a race or species I am not going to engage unless they actually recognize what that means outside of providing something fantastic or resonant to the internal experience of the character. It is wrong to sanitize the gygaxian/tolkien model of fantasy race and treat it like it's distinct from our world's racism.


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in reply to @Scampir's post:

I'm curious: is this because this version of fantastic peoples is like, the "uncanny valley" of the situation? 'Cuz I agree on all points, but I'm also thinking about how I use elfishness in my cloakkink work as a cipher for cultural alienation. It's a different kind of use from what I'm doing with Terra Philia, where I'm explicitly trying to recognize that the different fantasy communities are the collision of subspecies and culture, and individuals are often defined by how they break from those patterns. Seems like there's this long, thorny middle ground where elves and the like are too common/detailed to be treated solely as metaphor, but not individuated/entangled with their surrounding politics enough to avoid racist pitfalls.

I think that your project is already digging into something different. Like as soon as you ask “what are queer elves like?” and how are elves alienated within their own society you are handling it critically.

got in an argument on here over this a month or so ago where i was critical of the same thing you are and wound up blocked over it. truly wild that this is up for debate at all on cohost of all places