smuonsneutrino
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People are pretty caught up at approximately any given moment about some fucked up thing happening in the US/on behalf of the US government that people forget that we do, in fact, have a bunch of cultural/political things that are cool and good and rare/uniqe. Furthermore, lots of critiques of American culture are made by Europeans who are entirely too high on their own supply. My contrarianism is in full go mode right now so I'm going to chost about how The US Is Cool And Europeans Have No Right To Throw Stones, because I'm tired of Americans being doomers and I'm tired of Europeans being smug.


smuonsneutrino
@smuonsneutrino

Burgers

Dude burgers are so fuckin good man. The average exported fast food burger is selling that shit short, a good burger that someone's dad just pulled off the grill is possibly the greatest of the basic hot sandwiches.

Irish Pubs

The food at American Irish Pubs is only somewhat recognizable as Irish. Like Chinese food, it has adapted to its environment. The Fish & Chips sometimes comes with like, house-made American style potato chips. But goddamn it's usually tasty as hell. An unusually high percentage of them have live Irish folk music at least one night a week. Like solidly half of em. It kicks ass

Regional Cuisine

Regional American Cuisine generally kicks ass. Here are some suggestions:

  • If you're ever in DC, get yourself a half smoke.
  • While you're at it get some Vietnamese and Ethiopian and Nigerian food in DC too.
  • Regional pizza styles are almost always worth it.
  • Pittsburgh is a burger city. Get yourself a good burger or five.
  • Pittsburgh also has great Taiwanese food, take advantage of this while you're there.
  • I actually don't like sharp cheeses, but whenever I visit Wisconsin with family I'm told that the cheese isn't just hype and you should eat as much Cheddar as possible.
  • The Mid-Atlantic (the part of the east coast between Baltimore and NYC, inclusive) has great diners. Especially New Jersey, for some reason. You have not lived until you've purchased breakfast food at 2am off of an inexplicably long menu at a restaurant that only accepts cash.
  • If you are in any part of the Barbeque Zone and you eat meat at all it's a requirement to get some in every city you visit, it's wildly different even within states. (That's Florida, Texas, Missouri, Kansas, Tennessee, The Carolinas, Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, and Kentucky.)
  • Louisiana has multiple state-specific culinary traditions, but honestly just get as much crawfish as you can

St. Louis Food

Ok so this one is my home city. I'm biased as fuck. Man I miss St. Louis food so much.

  • Toasted Ravioli: It's beef ravioli but fried with herby breading. You can get fried ravioli in a lot of states but imo most of them overdo the fried. It's lightly battered, not a wad of bread around what is nominally ravioli. Trust me if you've been getting fried ravioli elsewhere in the US you are getting a different dish that's not as good
  • Gooey butter cake/cookies: dude how do I even describe these. They're cookies/cake made out of boxed yellow cake batter with a bunch of cream cheese mixed in. They're bright yellow and gooey even when fully baked. Gooey butter cake is kinda cookie-ish, the cookies are cake-ish, they're all good. I miss them every day.
  • Fried rice at Chinese takeout places in St. Louis is almost always like, dark dark brown with dark soy. Good shit.
  • The St. Paul Sandwich: a staple of St. Louis Chinese food. Egg Foo Young patty, mayo, pickles, white onions, sometimes shrimp. Served between two slices of white bread. Not my thing but I'm proud of it nonetheless.
  • Frozen Custard: You like... can get frozen custard outside of Missouri, but it's just not as good. Not even fucking close. The canonical St. Louis frozen custard is Ted Drewes. Get the lime concrete. Trust me, you will wish lime frozen custard replaced all other ice cream.
  • Slingers: Hash browns, 2 eggs, and burger pattty smotherd with cheese and chili. Every diner serves em.
  • St. Louis style pizza: The only part of St. Louis food that it's ok to openly mock. The crust is cracker-thin (ok, good start), it uses a sweet tomato sauce (ok, cool, different flavor pallette than most pizza), it's cut in squares from a round pizza, and it uses Provel Cheese. Provel is a St. Louis specific nightmare frankencheese made of Cheddar, Provelone, and Swiss. It was designed for its low melting point and clean bite. It was not designed for taste. It's fucking nasty imo, but about half of St. Louisans swear by it so a delicacy it remains. If you must try it, local chain Imo's is the canonical example.
  • Fitz's Soda: Local craft soda company that makes the good shit. Cardinal Cream and Hip-Hop Pop are the best flavors. Do not bother with the Fitz's restaurant, just get a custom crate of soda and go to Nudo House or Three Kings right down the street.
  • Restaurant rec: Pi Pizza. Named both for pie, the food, and pi, our area code (314). The best Chicago-style pizza in the country. If you have been to their location in DC, do not be fooled, it's so much better in its home turf. EDIT: NOOOOO ITS PERMANENTLY CLOSED
  • Replacement Pizza Rec: Katie's Pizza & Pasta. Dude its good brick oven pizzas with fancey toppings but also really fucking good pasta. Like seriously I know brick oven pizza places with fancy toppings are a dime a dozen in the US these days but Katie's is easily the best.
  • Restaurant Recs: Mai Lee and Nudo House. Two restaurants owned by the same people. The former is a really solid Vietnamese place with the best spring rolls and Vietnamese iced coffee I've ever had. The latter is a ramen place where you can get Nduja sausage in your ramen.
  • Restaurant Recs: if you want Barbeque, there's Salt & Smoke and Sugarfire. Both great. Sugarfire in particular makes a burger out of brisket meat and it's so, so, so fucking good.
  • Restaurant Rec: Chong Wah. My favorite St. Louis Chinese takeout place. I get ham fried rice every time. They've also got a St. Paul that my dad likes.
  • Brewere Rec: Schlafly. Yes, the same Schlafly family as Phillys Schlafly. Thankfully last I checked the beer Schlaflys and the puritanical Shchlaflys hated each other (I went to the same high school as them but didn't know them very well, so my access to the family drama is very very limited).

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in reply to @smuonsneutrino's post:

I'm glad I gave this post a fair shake. You're right, there are things about America that I actually do like quite a bit. It's too easy to take them for granted, or to minimize them to avoid looking like you're shilling for the status quo.

Thanks for mentioning the antisemitism problem over there! It's scary how ubiquitous it seems. We might end up moving to Europe for work and the list of countries we'd feel safe in, much less thrive and be able to practice our faith in, is uh a pretty short list haha. In a growing number of EU countries some of our practices are just outright outlawed :1

It's easy to take it for granted how much safer the states are, hopefully we all can push back against any change to that part of our country

As a French immigrant, every time I go back to visit France, the number 1 thing I miss is (good) Mexican or Indian food. That shit is basically impossible to get outside of the big cities (which is a problem because there's maybe 15 of them total in all the country).

(And yeah, French people shouldn't also act smug about racism waves at islamophobia there lol)

If I wanted people to re-learn that patriotism can simply be appreciating what your country does right (without stopping calling out what's fucked up) instead of MY COUNTRY RIGHT OR WRONG and whoring yourself in symbols... I'd point them to this post first. That is exactly how much I appreciate it because I agree with every-goddamn-fucking-word in it. That's such a healthier approach I have hope again we can reclaim this damn concept.

I mean, from an online American perspective it feels like a bunch of people snarking about the US at you and only identifying themselves as "European" much of the time. The Europeans tend to stand together in snarking on the US (and hold similar stereotypes abt us). Meanwhile because it's like 50 countries, there isn't time to defend ourselves from the snark one by one.

My experience as an American who moved to Sweden is that many people here actually have a rosier picture of the US than I do. Many people don't understand why I would want to live elsewhere, and the US is kind of seen as something to aspire to. People know the problems, and often a weird distorted view of them, but don't really understand how bad they are.

Like, some of the stuff in this post is true, especially the racism, but this picture of "smug Europeans" doesn't resonate with me at all.

I don't know specifically where this post comes from, but it feels like it's in conversation with maybe an internet phenomenon rather than something more solid.

You're right that this is very much about my experience of "online" Europeans & Americans who have internalized very weird ideas about Europe from them. (After all, online is how most American-European contact happens nowadays.) In many spaces (most notably IME on Twitter, Bsky, Reddit, and the absolute Hell World that is Left-ish or Leftist Facebook Groups) it is very easy to end up in a conversation with people talking shit about America/Americans as if the air is made of bullets and everyone has $10000000 of government-mandated medical debt. I absolutely do see people get bullied for being American and I see other Americans join in on the doom.

"America is a 3rd world country" is a super, super common refrain, and Americans who have internalized this "Europe is superior look at what this European said about it" mentality are also extremely common. Related and also common ideas are,"Americans have no culture", "America doesn't have anything the rest of the world doesn't", "Your healthcare system is a mess and you all only speak one language so you don't get to have an opinion about politics" (that last one is oddly specific but I have genuinely seen it come up in multiple completely unrelated communities). (And yeah, a lot of these sentences are just factually wrong & stupid & problematic in their own right.)

Friends of mine who either are European or have lived in Europe (mostly Italy, France, Poland, Russia, and the UK) have said this sort of thing is fairly common irl as well though (esp. Fraice and the UK). My sample for the Nordics is pretty low, so it might be less common there?

in reply to @smuonsneutrino's post:

Another addendum on the food front: Mexican food.

People debate how truly authentic the average mexican food on offer in an American restaurant is, and for good reasons. But it's a hell of a lot closer than the stuff I see from Europe. At least for Northern Mexican cuisine.

I feel like this might be because Mexico is far and good kebabs are already widespread as a food that kind of fills that spot (though i would definitely like to try some Good mexican food). Plenty of turkish and tatar food in east europe in general, if someone's grilling it's going to be shashliks most of the time.

europeans are so incredibly annoying about the US.

i just moved here from austria to live w/ my husband and like, literally every other person i've talked to about it back in europe hit me with the same "wow it's so scary and racist and evil and bad over there, why would you ever do that." as if europe wasn't getting more fascist by the day and the only reason they don't notice is their class/status.

USA invented house music too, don't forget that. Wouldn't have all the crazy UK based rave music (and most of electronic music today) if we weren't shipping chicago house over there in bulk in the late 80s.

The whole "UK is actually poor" thing.. it's true. There loads of towns just rotting at the moment, stabbings are up (particularly in London, and may I be so bold as to say it's an epidemic like shootings in the US?).

Everything is super expensive, for instance, I work a full time job, but if I wanted to rent a basic say, 2 bed flat win Edinburgh, I'd be paying at least half my wage in rent, another 8th? 5th on council tax and another chunk on utilities.

It is Not Fun existing in the UK at the moment