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vogon
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on balance I agree that section 230 does more good than it does harm; my life as a guy who runs this web site would be made quite a lot harder if it were to disappear! but also so many of the pro-230 arguments in this piece and elsewhere amount to "it's impossible to imagine the tech industry as currently constructed continuing to exist if section 230 is construed in a narrower fashion than it currently is, therefore section 230 must be construed as broadly as it currently is."

At the content layer, strict neutrality is often either incoherent or unimaginably awful. I happen to like a chronological feed, but if you follow thousands of people on Twitter, a strictly chronological feed is impossible to keep up with.

these are invented problems! twitter did away with the chronological feed to increase the number of tweets you saw, often specifically to show you tweets made by people who were paying to put them there. in so doing, they invented a justification to persist the non-chronological feed, by acculturating you to seeing people you had no relationship to on your feed all the time and incentivizing you to follow more people than you could keep up with, thereby letting them play more games with what you saw and turn it into more ways to make money.

It might be possible to imagine a YouTube without recommendations; it is not possible to imagine a Google Search without search results. Even worse, there’s not a sharp dividing line between search and recommendation; Google and Bing use lots of signals besides the user’s query (e.g., geographic location and search history). [...] A truly neutral search engine would have to rank every website the same, which is impossible, or use some kind of completely arbitrary criterion, like page size or alphabetical order. That doesn’t work.

first, it's very funny to invoke page size as a "completely arbitrary criterion" given that google already uses a proxy for page size as an input signal, and it was the supposed raison d'être for their big AMP push a couple years ago. (increasing page load speed causes people to view more web pages, which means they get served more ads from google's ad monopoly!)

second, the original ranking criteria for google search were simple enough that the most novel one could be published openly in an academic paper that every undergraduate computer science student of the early-mid 2000s learned about. before google, webcrawler was a direct spinout of research at a public university, and yahoo was for a long time a manually-curated list of links.

saying that -- because current web indexes are too complex/subtle/proprietary to describe openly, and it would be difficult to build one on a different mechanical foundation and have it compete on an even footing in the current market -- it's impossible to build one that's not this way, is ridiculous and ahistorical.

the field of cyberlaw needs people with better imaginations who aren't fascists.


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I imagine this must be how doctors feel when they watch legisltatures try to make laws around healthcare without understanding it... how are judges and lawyers and lawmakers supposed to make rulings on this kind of thing without understanding it??? I think Kagen(?) said something to that effect, even: "The justices are not necessarily the most technologically sophisticated people," she reportedly said. "The court hasn't really 'gotten to' email."

I'm reeling at "if you follow thousands of people on Twitter, a strictly chronological feed is impossible to keep up with".

What does 'keep up with' mean? How does an algorithm which jumbles posts out of order, often out of context, and shuffles in more posts from people you don't follow, make that easier? To me "keeping up with" a feed of information means reading everything up to the last time I looked, which I gave up on for twitter after following a hundred or so active people, and shuffling the feed with what twitter wants me to see certainly didn't help with that.

Huh, I made a big post as a reblog and it’s not showing it in a threaded thing alongside your post, but as a separate thing. Is it because I changed the tags? It’s only showing up when I click “Edit”. Oh well, I guess I’ll post it on its own…